cuppedsunshine
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Post by cuppedsunshine on Aug 4, 2020 0:03:27 GMT -5
this is kind of an awkward discussion to title because i'm not sure if it has a name, but after thinking about it some myself, i've come to realize that certain variants in the Petz community have kind of become breeds of their own, with their own unique standards.
what do you think of that? i think it's kind of fun and allows people who can't hex well (like myself) to still make their own unique variants, but i'm sure other people have varying thoughts on the matter. what would you think of shows dedicated to certain fanmade "breeds" with their own specific standards? how would your opinions change if you threw traits from hexed breeds into the mix?
this is kind of a silly and vague topic i admit, but you'll just have to humor me. sorry! ^^;
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Post by Audaxity on Aug 4, 2020 17:18:33 GMT -5
Personally, I love selective breeds and am trying to get one done myself! I love external breedfiles and hexies, too, but there's something fun about having a certain set of traits in mind and working to make it happen, especially if it's just with the original breeds! Right now I'm making a Petz Doberman, and after that, I think I'd like to make something of my own creation, though I'll have to study on what traits I want (hopefully it will be easier now that I've downloade GenePoolz!)
As far as shows for selective breeds go, I'm not at all against the concept, I just wonder how much interest there would be? I'd participate if there were such a thing, but it might be hard to drum people up for shows since now everyone might not have that breed, since everyone has different tastes in petz. I guess it would be something to try if there was enough preliminary interest?
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cuppedsunshine
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Post by cuppedsunshine on Aug 4, 2020 17:23:27 GMT -5
Personally, I love selective breeds and am trying to get one done myself! I love external breedfiles and hexies, too, but there's something fun about having a certain set of traits in mind and working to make it happen, especially if it's just with the original breeds! Right now I'm making a Petz Doberman, and after that, I think I'd like to make something of my own creation, though I'll have to study on what traits I want (hopefully it will be easier now that I've downloade GenePoolz!) As far as shows for selective breeds go, I'm not at all against the concept, I just wonder how much interest there would be? I'd participate if there were such a thing, but it might be hard to drum people up for shows since now everyone might not have that breed, since everyone has different tastes in petz. I guess it would be something to try if there was enough preliminary interest? SELECTIVE breeds that's the name i was looking for!! so sorry for the vague title ^^; i think it would be fun if people had interest, but im not sure myself either.
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Post by RogueRowan on Aug 4, 2020 17:26:35 GMT -5
I love Selective Breeds and goodness, it would be cool if more things were specifically for them. I made a forum, The Petz Backyard, in the hopes of encouraging more people to start selective breeding but that's so niche, I doubt many people would participate lol.
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Post by Audaxity on Aug 4, 2020 18:46:18 GMT -5
I think it was a bigger thing back in the day - there was something like a Breemaker's Guild and some other sites, and I found this old archived site with several downloadable selective breeds (https://web.archive.org/web/20090504064220/http://www.geocities.com/gaealunavenus2/), but I guess it died out over time. Possibly because hexies became easier to make with LNZPro and Petz Workshop to make whatever Petz you wanted? Of course that's a great thing, but I think they could exist side by side just as well! It's hard for me to say what the history there is, though, because I wasn't part of the community at the time. I've always been curious about the Breedmaker's guild, though, and how it worked - maybe something like the PKC for selective breed? Dunno if there'd be any chance of reviving something like that, but it might be cool; could even have breedmaking contests and stuff!
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Post by cuppedsunshine on Aug 4, 2020 19:38:20 GMT -5
Yeah! I think that could be really fun, especially when you consider how many opportunities there are to make unique combinations when you bring in things like hexed breeds.
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Post by RogueRowan on Aug 4, 2020 21:17:05 GMT -5
That website, the Woodland Park Breeding Center, is what inspired me to start making selective breeds way back in the day! That website is by Vickie, who not only did selective breeds, but created some of the best hexed breeds in my opinion. All her websites are down now. I missed out on the Breedmaker's Guild, as its website was also gone before I got into petz communities online (despite playing petz since the 90's lol). It would be so cool if there was a community for selective breeders again.
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Post by shaina @ kizmet on Aug 5, 2020 2:49:21 GMT -5
I think it was a bigger thing back in the day - there was something like a Breemaker's Guild and some other sites, and I found this old archived site with several downloadable selective breeds (https://web.archive.org/web/20090504064220/http://www.geocities.com/gaealunavenus2/), but I guess it died out over time. Possibly because hexies became easier to make with LNZPro and Petz Workshop to make whatever Petz you wanted? Of course that's a great thing, but I think they could exist side by side just as well! It's hard for me to say what the history there is, though, because I wasn't part of the community at the time. I've always been curious about the Breedmaker's guild, though, and how it worked - maybe something like the PKC for selective breed? Dunno if there'd be any chance of reviving something like that, but it might be cool; could even have breedmaking contests and stuff! So the BMG from what I remember posted selective breeds and listed the standards... You'd submit the breed you created - including the standard and the original 8. So on Vickie's site, you'll see a list of what the standards included, and she also has the height chart on one of her pages. Not sure if this link will work or not, but it's four dogz of the first selective breed ever (New Chapel Hounds) from the BMG. I think they were the original females. Unfortunately I've lost their mates. Edit: I found the original 8 here: web.archive.org/web/20000115065648/http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Pier/4095/newchapelhound.htm
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cuppedsunshine
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Post by cuppedsunshine on Aug 5, 2020 8:10:26 GMT -5
So the BMG from what I remember posted selective breeds and listed the standards... You'd submit the breed you created - including the standard and the original 8. So on Vickie's site, you'll see a list of what the standards included, and she also has the height chart on one of her pages. Not sure if this link will work or not, but it's four dogz of the first selective breed ever (New Chapel Hounds) from the BMG. I think they were the original females. Unfortunately I've lost their mates. Dang, that sounds really cool! It sucks that I missed out on something like that. I wonder if it would be possible to make something similar over forum and email?
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Post by Audaxity on Aug 5, 2020 15:48:52 GMT -5
Possibly; It would be even easier now, after all, what with PetzA to speed up breeding and GenePoolz to help keep the project on track. Rowan did say there was already a forum said up; it would just be a matter of drumming up interest!
The only one of Vickie's sites that I still now is working is the research center, and I've been fortunate to download many of her breeds from there. Cuppedsunshine's point about selectives made from hexed breeds is really interesting, too, and a thought I've entertained before (since I love breeding wild hybrids, too!) but since Genepoolz doesn't recognize them, it would be more challenging, too! Maybe at first we could try offering some simple challenges to breed for certain traits (like PUGS did in its last event before it went down) to see what kind of interest there is? I'm kind of getting excited about this, honestly, especially since I'm nearing the end on my own breed, anyway!
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Post by RogueRowan on Aug 5, 2020 16:13:42 GMT -5
Sadly the research center is down now too. It's so sad that Vickie's things only exist through the wayback machine now because she is really the one who got me into so many aspects of petz like selective breeding. I've always been curious about making selective breeds with Hexed breeds, but I just don't have a good eye for things that would look nice together. I don't typically mix hexed breeds at all, though I did experiment mixing Vickie's lepitaur file with various original breeds and hexed breeds and I got some really neat results. In fact, on an old forum Vickie made for her lepitaur file, she herself made some selective breeds by mixing the lepitaur file with other breeds! venitell.proboards.com/board/1/accepted-cross-lines
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cuppedsunshine
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Post by cuppedsunshine on Aug 5, 2020 18:16:36 GMT -5
I've always been very fond of breeding with hexed breeds (even though it sometimes does have somewhat disastrous results), so I must say I'm a little biased towards the idea of selective breeds with hexed lineage, even though it does introduce a fair deal of complications.
Either way, much to think about! I'm not quite coherent enough to really propose any definitive ideas, but this definitely all sounds fun :]
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Post by Audaxity on Aug 8, 2020 17:03:42 GMT -5
A registry sounds like a good start for people to record their selective breeds, though it would be harder with the hexed ones (fun fact, I tried to selectively breed a unicorn from some hexed breeds I had. Ended up with some deformed offspring that would violate every real scientific standard of ethics, heh.) But I also have stuff like my skeletonized ravens that might be fun to do stuff with. Hmm. The wheels are turning!
I didn't realize the research center had went down! I'd be meaning to grab some files for a bunch of mixies I adopted. Glad I could still get them, but sad that's it's finally officially gone. That makes PUGS, the research center, and Moonflower all apparently gone recently... it's like a wave of takedowns and it's pretty depressing!
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Post by Sakura on Aug 9, 2020 16:41:51 GMT -5
Selective breeding is my absolute favorite aspect of the petz game! I had made one selective breed in the past called a Bullsheep but have yet to make another because it is such a niche/personal taste thing. Some take off, like the tamsin, and others have little to no interest which can be disheartening because so much work goes into it. For those reasons I tend to selective breed for existing types as well as for individual dogz rather than a whole breed. Regardless I am fond of your idea!
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Post by Alexzander on Aug 9, 2020 19:41:38 GMT -5
I like selective breeds but I honestly do not have the patience to do them. I totally applaud anyone who does though! I will hex before I breed lolol
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