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Post by Sakura on Jun 24, 2020 18:24:03 GMT -5
I've never heard of petz fighting prior to this and am also quite intrigued to know if it was some secret society! Just like most of you, I also didn't know how much our actions mattered in game. I knew you could "train" to some degree but I didn't realize how sensitive the program was to it. This has been very insightful! Looks like I can make any dog a poser now. hehe
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Post by Alexzander on Jun 27, 2020 13:18:32 GMT -5
I tend to train for certain tasks, mostly obedience sit and obedience down for PKC tasks xD Petz learn quick, I will admit, especially when given treats. For pose training I use lots and lots of pettings. It works pretty well I think and I've been doing it for probably 20 years so xD
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Post by Shade on Jun 28, 2020 19:28:07 GMT -5
I've never heard of petz fighting prior to this and am also quite intrigued to know if it was some secret society! Just like most of you, I also didn't know how much our actions mattered in game. I knew you could "train" to some degree but I didn't realize how sensitive the program was to it. This has been very insightful! Looks like I can make any dog a poser now. hehe You can totally do this! Though I think there's something in P5 that makes it so some dogz can't actually learn it? I can't remember 100% I think I read somewhere that posing can be passed down from parent to child too. So maybe training a dog to be a poser can pass that on too? IDK for sure. But that would be interesting.
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Post by shaina @ kizmet on Jun 29, 2020 21:07:20 GMT -5
Petz fighting wasn't a secret society or anything back then - they were just like any other petz websites. It existed, but I wouldn't say it was very popular. Obviously people who didn't like the idea wouldn't link to those sites. I remember they even had a title/point system worked out. People would send their pet files to the person who ran the 'fight', and they'd determine the winner based on some predetermined rules. I forget exactly how they determined who won for the dogz, I think whoever snapped at each other last? but the catz would be determined with whoever won those big dramatic hissy fights they sometimes have if they dislike each other.
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Post by leashykitty on Jun 29, 2020 23:47:00 GMT -5
This dogz fighting thing sounds horrible! Sure they are just pixels but it just still seems so wrong.... >.>
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Post by Alexzander on Jun 30, 2020 0:30:45 GMT -5
I've never heard of petz fighting prior to this and am also quite intrigued to know if it was some secret society! Just like most of you, I also didn't know how much our actions mattered in game. I knew you could "train" to some degree but I didn't realize how sensitive the program was to it. This has been very insightful! Looks like I can make any dog a poser now. hehe You can totally do this! Though I think there's something in P5 that makes it so some dogz can't actually learn it? I can't remember 100% I think I read somewhere that posing can be passed down from parent to child too. So maybe training a dog to be a poser can pass that on too? IDK for sure. But that would be interesting. I will say I do notice that my petz who are more pose-friendly tend to produce puppies with more tendency to pose, and are better at posing. Maybe there's a little bit to this one, I'm not sure. It's definitely something to think about...
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Post by Shade on Jul 1, 2020 12:07:55 GMT -5
Petz fighting wasn't a secret society or anything back then - they were just like any other petz websites. It existed, but I wouldn't say it was very popular. Obviously people who didn't like the idea wouldn't link to those sites. I remember they even had a title/point system worked out. People would send their pet files to the person who ran the 'fight', and they'd determine the winner based on some predetermined rules. I forget exactly how they determined who won for the dogz, I think whoever snapped at each other last? but the catz would be determined with whoever won those big dramatic hissy fights they sometimes have if they dislike each other. That makes sense. I can't imagine them being able to use pictures well for the determining. I never see what happens when my catz win a fight. I always break it up with a spray bottle. You can totally do this! Though I think there's something in P5 that makes it so some dogz can't actually learn it? I can't remember 100% I think I read somewhere that posing can be passed down from parent to child too. So maybe training a dog to be a poser can pass that on too? IDK for sure. But that would be interesting. I will say I do notice that my petz who are more pose-friendly tend to produce puppies with more tendency to pose, and are better at posing. Maybe there's a little bit to this one, I'm not sure. It's definitely something to think about... Someone did a bunch of tests over multi-gens to test if it could be passed down and it seemed to. It's been years since I saw the thread and I honestly didn't pay too much attention at the time because I wasn't into showing at the time and didn't care too much
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Post by Night's Shadow ♠ on Jul 2, 2020 0:45:48 GMT -5
I know they're just pixels and not living things, but such a concept still feels kind of wrong! That being said, that does admittedly have me quite curious. Maybe if I can get on my computer at some point, I can breed several puppiez (or ideally and most likely probably, take some randoms from the AC of each breed), have them be a control group, and then clone that same group and try to train those up to fight and be aggressive, and compare them to the control group and see if any major behavioral changes and differences occur. It feels mean, but... Science and my neverending curiosity.
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Post by Sue on Jul 16, 2020 9:18:27 GMT -5
In all honesty, I didn't believe that I could learn something new about these games after 20 years... so, DANG!
That's all.
(PS... not in favor of anything violent, but the possibility of training virtual petz to be aggressive, I never assumed it possible.)
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Post by WHEATLEY on Jul 20, 2020 11:25:42 GMT -5
We as humans make our own fun. While the concept of animals fighting may be horrid to some, at the end of the day, they are but pixels that run on automated code programmed by humans. I am sure you can remember a time where you saved before making a silly or horrible decision on a game just to see the outcome, before reloading to pick the other option. I don't see much a difference in this pet-fighting thing. It's just another way to play with the game in ways that the developers intended (after all, they did code the ability to praise fighting behaviour). If it's in the game, I see no problem with exploring it to the fullest extent! Even if it may seem morally wrong, it's a game with little consequence.
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Post by shaina @ kizmet on Aug 10, 2020 2:08:35 GMT -5
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