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Post by Rina on Dec 17, 2010 11:21:44 GMT -5
So, I've been doing a couple breeding projects lately, and it's come to my attention that I have never been able to breed a cat/dog with pink or blue eyes, my two favorite colors. I only get various shades of brown or bright green.
I understand (or at least, I assume) that these colors are mutations -- right? Maybe not. xD Anyway, how many generations does it usually take you to breed pink/blue eyes? And do you have any tips you could share with me?
I'm new to breeding projects overall, actually, so any tips on how to organize (I don't inbreed, so I have to keep track of generations and such to avoid that), breed for the pet(s) I want, and even read the genes of my pets (I heard from someone that you can do that? Were they just playing with me? xD) would be mucho appreciated. <3
Edit: I use Petz 5, by the way. I downloaded P4 the other day, but it appears that you can only have one kitten at a time? Makes it a lot slower than breeding in P5. xD Or is there a "cheat" way to surpass this one-pup/kit-limit?
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Post by Brynn on Dec 17, 2010 11:30:33 GMT -5
Yup, there is a one kitten limit; I don't mind it so much, but I've been using P4 exclusively for a while now. No way to cheat that I'm aware of either.
As far as breeding for pink/blue eyes, sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don't. It's usually best to start out with a pet that has an established line for pink/the blue you want and breed them into your project. The issue with mutations is that it's random. So you might get it sometimes, and you might not--as far as I know there's no way to predict what eye color with what will produce any given eye color.
And with organization, I find it's helpful to give the pets names that I can use to keep track; for example, first generation pets get A names, 2nd get B, etc, or I just do it with number codes (for example, 1A would be a first generation from the 'A' lineage). The gene thing is possible in theory, but I don't know exactly how to do it (I assume it would involve Hexplorer at some point, and would probably be more trouble than it would be worth.
Just go off of phenotype as opposed to genotype and you'll be fine.
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Post by Rina on Dec 17, 2010 11:43:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind it so much if it were just that, but I also have to close out, then reopen Petz every time I want the pup to be weaned. It just seems less efficient than P5 if I ended up having to breed the same pair a couple of times to get a pup/kit that was good enough to breed.
I've never tried either of those ways of organizing. I'll do those next time, thanks! I always get mixed up and then trash the whole thing for fear of inbreeding and wasting more all my time ^^;
Thanks, Brynne ^^
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Post by Arty on Dec 17, 2010 11:46:39 GMT -5
Why do you have to close & re-open? I usually just grow the puppy up, put the mum back, then bring her out again. You don't get the cloned problem like in P5 because there's only one puppy.
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Post by Brynn on Dec 17, 2010 11:54:18 GMT -5
If you're using Petza to age up the little ones you can just put the parent away and then take them back out. I usually age them up before the parent drops the baby and them put them back so the poor mother isn't trying to catch a full grown puppy or kitten. EDIT: Bah, Artemis beat me to it. *shakes fist*
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Post by Rina on Dec 17, 2010 12:00:49 GMT -5
Oh. I thought that didn't work, but maybe P4 was just glitching at the time, because it worked just now. And now I have a lovely 2nd gen Dali! xD I love 2nd gen mutations. Thanks guys. Dunno why it didn't work before, but I'm positive it didn't. -shrug- *exalts for helping* ^^
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Post by azalea2412 on Dec 17, 2010 18:39:15 GMT -5
I have found that getting pink or blue is just a hit or miss accidental mutation.{ Especially in a 2nd generation kit or pup} However I have found that if you are lucky enough to get a second gen pink eyed pup/kit if you breed it to a blue eyed kit/pup you are more likely to get a pink eyed 3rd generation pup/kit than you would if you bred the it to a brown eyed pup/kit. In other words pink eyes are more likely to be dominant to blue eyes that to brown eyes.
PS: I usually breed in Petz 3 version.
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Post by cath on Dec 17, 2010 19:16:09 GMT -5
With me, it's a lot easier to get blue to mutate for some reason? Pink has been a lot harder to come by... but at the beginning of non-inbred projects, I always obsessively breed until I get, for example, two 2nd gens with pink and keep a pink offspring, before I start breeding any other eye colours in. I really just think it is pure chance!
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Post by Spell on Dec 17, 2010 19:35:10 GMT -5
On my last breeding project I just could not for the life of me get green eyes. Blue? Right away.. GAH.
Like others have said... it's all random until you selectively breed it in.
EDIT: 7,000 post! Whoo hooo!
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Post by Rina on Dec 17, 2010 20:10:30 GMT -5
Oh, and so get it right from the start, huh Catherine? That's a good idea :3
Thanks guys. ^^ 'Grats on 7k posts, Spell! o: Big number.
Edit: Lol, and I've just broken 500! Just 6,500 to go until I catch up =D
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Post by stage! :D on Dec 17, 2010 21:41:45 GMT -5
Actuallyyy if you make copies of the mom pregnant then you kinda of cheatingly get a litter because you have the same mom x amount of times having the pup/kit multiple times! So that /could/ make things a little quicker?
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Post by Rina on Dec 18, 2010 1:25:46 GMT -5
That's true, but as long as I can wean the pup/kit without having to restart P4, I think I'll be okay. :3 Thanks though!
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Post by cheaco on Dec 18, 2010 20:03:09 GMT -5
Actuallyyy if you make copies of the mom pregnant then you kinda of cheatingly get a litter because you have the same mom x amount of times having the pup/kit multiple times! So that /could/ make things a little quicker? I think the mom will have the same baby though, if you copy her when she is already pregnant? When I am doing massive breeding projects, I make copies of the mom before I get her pregnant and then breed the same father to all the copies. It makes things a bit faster heh.
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