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Post by Barguestspirit on Jun 14, 2013 10:07:12 GMT -5
Wanting to enjoy some nostalgia and relive some fun memories by playing with my mutt Foofur in the game he originally came from 15 years ago, I dug Petz 2 out and installed it on my laptop a few days ago. The thing is, I had always remembered Foofur (and all the other dogs I had in P2 for that matter) loving the music box and doing all sorts of dance moves whenever it was playing. I would sit and watch them gettin' jiggy with it for hours it seemed. However, I can't recall ever seeing pets in P4 or P5 dancing like that. I remember I would try bringing out the music box P4/5 and it would play and everything, but my pets never seemed to show much interest. It always struck me as odd and disappointing, but I never thought much about it, wondered if maybe I had been mistaken about my memories of dogs dancing in P2, and have really never bothered to bring the music box out again since. So, I installed Petz 2, and had Foofur's original pet file to put back in it. I was in the toy closet with Foofur, gearing up to go play by picking some toys and food to put in the carrying case, when Foofur knocked the music box toy out of the supply closet. It popped open and began to play, and Foofur watched it for a second before a look of euphoria crossed his pixel features and, closing his eyes, he started swaying to the music. I watched him really get into it, realizing my memory hadn't been faulty after all, dogz really could dance! So why hadn't I ever seen them do it since P2? I opened P4 up, put a large selection of dogz from different breeds in there, and I tested them all with the music box to see if any would dance. Nothing. No dancing, no swaying, no flipping, no looks of intense enjoyment upon hearing the music play. I switched through all the songs, I brought out dogs individually and in groups, they all reacted pretty much the same. They seemed to treat the music box as if it where a simple toy, like a doll that could be picked up and carried around, but wasn't good for anything much beyond that. If I put the music box up on a shelf out of reach, they'd do nothing but stare up at it. When I put it on the ground, they'd pick it up and carry it to my hand, then set it down. They would occasionally bump it and switch the song, but showed no signs of "hearing" any music. I tried the same thing in P5, no difference. I even tried the music box with Foofur, who I had brought into P4 years ago when I rediscovered his file, but he didn't remember any of his dance moves, his love of music appears dead in P4. So, I wondering, what's happening? Is this normal? Did they remove the dancing behaviors from P4/5? Or could there be something wrong with my game or the music box toy file? Is there something I'm supposed to do to get them to dance in P4/5? Do only certain petz dance? Is it a rare thing like trotting dogz or trickster catz? I feel like an idiot for not knowing this stuff, especially for as long as I've been playing with Petz. I don't know why P.F. Magic would leave the dancing behaviors out of the games after P2, it was so cute and fun to watch, I'm pretty bummed if that's what happened. I mean, it was bad enough that they took out that "I really love the carrying case...a whole lot" dogz behavior. But the dancing too? Is nothing sacred? :\ Because it's so friggin' adorable, here's some videos of dogz enjoying the music box in P2: Edit: Figured out how to embed them, had to put them on Youtube instead of Photobucket. Foofur enjoying some music. Put your right paw in, put your right paw out... This must be a really good song. Foofur shows off some kicks. Jelli and Belli are, like, totally flipping out!
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Post by The Time Void on Jun 14, 2013 10:31:14 GMT -5
It must be rare, because I have petz 5 and a few days ago my Maine Coon cat started dancing to some music on the music box... So i'm pretty sure they didn't remove it! But I think that was only the first or second time I had seen a pet dance... I have known petz 5 a long time now.
It is so cute! I wish they would dance more! :/
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Post by shebaatje on Jun 14, 2013 12:54:42 GMT -5
Catz are known to dance to the music box, but after P3 dogz were no longer able/ willing to dance...too bad really, because looking at those videos you uploaded, it would have been so cool! I wonder why they removed that option or if they simply just forgot to add it as a feature?
What's this you're talking about, though?^^ you've gotten me all curious now, haha!
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Post by nijali on Jun 14, 2013 13:16:59 GMT -5
Whoah, this is a funny coincidence here... But let me get into that in a second.
First: Yeah, same here. Since my petz version is for only 3? weeks installed now, I haven't tried out the music box much. It was a big disappointmend to me since there are no new songs (except one or two that are pretty... lame?). They haven't changed sinde at least P4, if not even P3 as well. Can't remember there was a music box in P2, though. Anyway, I put it out from time to time, checking if my cats doin' some nice dancing like they did many years ago, and, I was disappointed again by the whole thing. They seems to ignore the music box, bump it, chew on it but no dancing at all. I thought they might have been to young to know dancing... but the my petz beyond #40 on PetzA slidebars won't do nothing with the music box neither... Sometimes they respond to the more romantic songs but that's also a rare case. I remember they used to make that long, deep purring sound in P4 and P3(?) when a song like that was played. I don't know, I was thinking music wasn't interesting to them, but "not hearing" the music sounds like this could be possible... That was one of the reason making me think P5 was just a remake of P4 with really, really, minor changes. Like those silly playscenes and crappy fur files on breeds like the Mau... Bugs don't seem to be fixed neither and annoyances things like the cat's feeling "hurt" from the water on the beach scene are still here. This is really sad...
so, now the funny things: Yesterday I had some new kittens out, testing some of the breedz I downloaded some days ago. I gave them the music box since you suggested to try the usic box when having pets that love fighting- as my Fancy Mouse with my #150 Mewtwo did. But they were both freshly adopted, along with two other kittens (which are friends with each other and the Mouse and Mewtwo kitten aswell) and I didn't want to part them again and I was toying around with the Profiles Option of petzA- just had those 4 little kitties and some of my hexed (?) B/W Siameses on that profile since I'm still figuring out how this stuff actually works. But only Siameses for breeding purposes, color testing. Lovely thingies but all grown up. So I really didn't want to have any of them out except the new ones. Strangely with one times using the spraying bottle, mainly petting and some treats the Mouse and Kitten get along. Not friends, but more "ignoring" each other. But they even layed down close together when they took a nap (which I observed most times on petz that are friends or in love), which I find pretty weird.
So. You also suggested using the music box. And I just love that "beach" song and the "hip hop" song, so I gave the music box a try- again. Then things got weird: The Mewtwo kitten saw the music box. Came closer aaaaaaaand... he hopped on it. Pawing it. And then curled in to sleep. ON THE MUSIX BOX He actually took a nap on the music box D: I laughed so much. Never saw this before (except on some other toys back in P4 if I'm correct.) I let him sleep there for a while, but then I wanted to know if he really lays on that toy and took it away from him- he jumped and seemed pretty much not amused by my attempt in finding out what's going on with him and the music box... I tried it again- he reacted the same, like petz do when they lay on a pillow and you take away the pollow from them. And then other followed: the mouse jumped aswell on the music box, almost at the same time as him and curled in for some sleep. This really made my day! I didn't took pictures since I don't know how the camera function works in P5- it seems to only focus on one pet and I was too lazy to start my screenshot programs (I don't have a PRINT button my keyboard), but I'd try to get you a picture of them if you want.
I wanted to actually post it on the forums yesterday but I thought none would believe me or wouldn't be interested in that story (same counts for the story of my nice adventure on searching desperately for my favourite 3 siamese cats before I realized I just renamed them two days ago and had forgot about it... man, this was awkward...)
So... yeah. Seems like the music box in P5 is merely a pillow for mice and pokemon "kittens" since it actually doesn't make anyone dance anymore.
Hey Amradel! Oh, lucky you. Watching catz dancing is always fun! How old was the Maine Coon?
Did anyone try treats with the music box/pointing over the music box with treats? Maybe that helps/they'll learn to dance then?
That's another "issue" with my pets- they won't do tricks. At all. The B+W Shorthair does something "like" a trick but that's just nothing compared to what I've seen in P4+P3 they did for treats :/ They just start meowing or jumping at the pointer. At least the dog based wildz I have tend to do some tricks like rolling around. But that's just it.
Meh!
*edit: Nah, I was wrong. I just remembered I saw some of my Siameses meowing/"singing" together to one of the love songs some days ago. Maybe not all of them can hear the music box, maybe it's bugging or something like this?
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Post by Valerie on Jun 14, 2013 21:32:49 GMT -5
Catz are known to dance to the music box, but after P3 dogz were no longer able/ willing to dance...too bad really, because looking at those videos you uploaded, it would have been so cool! I wonder why they removed that option or if they simply just forgot to add it as a feature? What's this you're talking about, though?^^ you've gotten me all curious now, haha! Indeed, what is the "love the carrying case" you speak of? Yeah, dogs don't dance at all anymore.... But cats will. You just have to get the right cat, and they have to be in the right mood. As far as: "That's another "issue" with my pets- they won't do tricks. At all. The B+W Shorthair does something "like" a trick but that's just nothing compared to what I've seen in P4+P3 they did for treats :/ They just start meowing or jumping at the pointer." Only some cats will do tricks. You have to hold the treat and if the cat sits polietly and waits for you to shake the treat... it might do some tricks for you.
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Post by The Time Void on Jun 14, 2013 23:29:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure how old my Maine Coon was when it danced... Either one day of an adult or a one day adult! But yeah, it was only gen 1 and it wasn't very old at the time... I wish they made it so dogz danced to! That's silly...
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Post by Barguestspirit on Jun 15, 2013 10:07:19 GMT -5
Awwww, man. I was afraid it was something like that. That sucks. I just can't figure out why PFM would decide to leave the dancing out of the dog behaviors, it was so darn cute and fun to watch. *sigh* I did try with some catz in P4, and I think one of my calico mixes might have danced a little before proceeding to barf up a couple hairballs in quick succession. So whether that swaying and stepping was music appreciation or an upset stomach, I don't know. But, one of my alley mixes did appear to sit with his eyes closed for a little bit, then started to "sing" along. Unfortunately, he was rudely interrupted when one of the other alley cats snuck up and tackled him from behind while he was mid meow. I wish I'd been recording that. Nijali: That's really weird and rather interesting about the cat using the music box as a pillow. I've definitely never seen that before. Too bad about not being able to get a picture of it though. In P5, when you take pictures while multiple pets are out, the picture window that pops up has options that allow you to either take another pic of the same pet/s, take a pic of another pet, or take a pic of all the pets on screen. Once you've selected one of the options, you can just keep hitting the space bar to continue snapping pics with the focus you've selected. Don't feel bad, I've done this before too. Stupid brain farts. Actually, I did try wiggling treats near the playing music box with some dogs, but this only gets them to do "toy" tricks, like jumping on top and balancing on it, or picking it up and balancing it on their noses. So no dice there, unfortunately. Yeah, Shebaatje's right. Only certain cats will do tricks, just like only certain dogs will trot. They have to have the "trickster gene", otherwise they'll just stalk the treat or jump up and grab it. You can make a cat be a trickster with a tiny bit of hex editing though. If you're interested, see how to do that here.Shebaatje said: Valerie said: In answer to your questions: This has become one of the deep dark secrets of Petz, it seems not many people know or remember this nowadays, since pretty much everybody has been using version 3, 4, and 5 for a long time now. In times past, I've heard a lot of people say "Why u wanna play wit P2? It's old and boring, you can't do any of the cool stuff that you can do in P3+". To this, I say "Nay, young Grasshopper!" Petz 2 may be much simpler by the standards of the newer versions, but there are, in fact, many things of interest in P2 for those who know how to look. Back when petz couldn't be bred, and with so few people knowing how to hex, the focus lay on playing with and caring for your petz. You got to know each pet intimately through hours of interaction and observation. Fun times could be had by all, especially those in the know about a certain little trick. With a simple combination of a catnip plant, a bottle of flea spray, and a dog, one could have quite and entertaining time. Are you sure you want to know? Watch the video below, but be warned, some may find the following video slightly shocking...or funny...or both. No, the game has not been hacked or altered in any way. That is an actual behavior they wrote into P2. Unfortunately, I guess they decided to remove that particular behavior from future Petz versions. Maybe they where afraid of complaints from parents about how seeing natural dog behaviors would forever corrupt the minds of their sweet, innocent children. It seems that my normally sweet tempered boy Foofur has a rather odd anger issue. Maybe he needs therapy? Seriously, he's always got an angry look on his face when he does this. This is your dog. This is your dog on catnip and flea spray. Any questions?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 10:25:17 GMT -5
^ Oh my goodness! In all my years spent playing Petz II, I have never seen that happen before! (And that was probably a good thing because I was quite young when I played Petz II.)
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Post by The Time Void on Jun 15, 2013 11:23:16 GMT -5
Wait wait wait... I can't watch those you tube videos, since I don't want to use up internet usage... Could you message me and tell me what they are doing? I'm really curious now!
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Post by nostalgia on Jun 15, 2013 11:30:06 GMT -5
Oh my god, I just have to say.. that is so freaking hilarious! I never played Petz 2 (I originally started when I was younger with Petz 3) so I've never seen that before. But that's just so ridiculously awesome that I'm really tempted to go and try to download Petz 2 now just to see it for myself xD
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Post by nijali on Jun 15, 2013 13:29:39 GMT -5
OHAI! Ha! Nijali: That's really weird and rather interesting about the cat using the music box as a pillow. I've definitely never seen that before. Too bad about not being able to get a picture of it though. In P5, when you take pictures while multiple pets are out, the picture window that pops up has options that allow you to either take another pic of the same pet/s, take a pic of another pet, or take a pic of all the pets on screen. Once you've selected one of the options, you can just keep hitting the space bar to continue snapping pics with the focus you've selected. Yeah. I took a look at the options window yesterday again. There must have been something, sooo... yeah, I had "save photos automatically" activated, so the pop up window didn't appear. Now I can take pictuuures whenever I want! \O/ (I don't know, I remember in previous petz versions it switched constantly between both petz while taking a photo?, if I'm correct?, so I thought when saving automatically the pictures will ruin the moment since petz often start posing when pictures were taken.) Whatever, here are some pictures taken yesterday:"Man, was about time!" Getting comfy. The white #150 Mewtwo -Kitten is always the first one jumping on the music box to rest there. Others would follow most times. Although they started fighting and hissing again at each other, they still use the same "pillow" music box. Somewhat shizophrenic. I mean, when was it the last time you shared your place to rest with someone you didn't actually like? D: Aaaand there comes the other kitten. "Yeah you guys are quite comfy, thanks for asking..." And the last kitten. Misc: Today it appears the kittens now try to bump the music box with their noses more often and actually treat the music box like a toy. Also it seems they're more meowing/"singing" together, but that could be just because they're friends and befriend petz do that sometimes. Mehhh. I really can't think of a reason why they made it so rare petz going to dance. I mean, real life pets do often do the weirdest things when responding to sounds/music! TROLLOLO dog ♥ ( I hope you all know about the "Trololo Song". If not, posting this was pretty much awkward then I guess. *g*) EDIT: The embed function seems to bug here aswell. Go here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ESGA_Z9yEYeah, Shebaatje's right. Only certain cats will do tricks, just like only certain dogs will trot. They have to have the "trickster gene", otherwise they'll just stalk the treat or jump up and grab it. You can make a cat be a trickster with a tiny bit of hex editing though. If you're interested, see how to do that here.[/quote] Thank you two. Well, I didn't thought this was a "gene" but rather cats are too young/not interested and would learn it eventually. When I think of the previous Petz version, MCs and Tabbies tend to have that gene more often than the other breeds? B+W SH and Siameses seem to miss this gene entireley. Didn't had any cat doing tricks in P5 so far. This is one reason that makes me think P5 is actually somewhat like a downgrade to the Petz series. Sadly it was the last part. (but since the Creatures games popped up again recently I still hope for another Petz game that is actually worth calling it a "Petz game".) OH MY GAWD. D: what, I don't even... I really didn't know about that ... erm, "feature"... I always thought spraying the flew spray on catnip makes my pets sick so I avoided that. I was pretty paranoid about making my pets sick with that stuff since it was on the loadin screens. "Don't sprat flea spray on catnip". I thought they'll getting sick if I would spray the catnip. But really? They start doing THIS kind of stuff then? Weird. WEEEEIRD. Nice ra... :x rage face, bro. D: I remember them punching the toy case to get some toys they wanted (I really miss that. I believe since the toy case is more like the toy room this won't work. At least I haven'T seen them doing that in P5) Also, in P5 the catnip doesn't "wiggle" or shake when you try to spray it with the flea spray. But it still responds to the water spray bottle. They removed the feature but the message in the loading screen is still there. If it wasn't P5 I'm talking about I'd wonder if there's something like another thing that replaced the old respond of petz... But it's still funny giving your pets the catnip. When I was younger I always thought that was bad for the cats. :I The white one from above way laying down after having some catnip, curled and moved around in a curcle. This looked pretty weird, like a CATerpillar... 5 minutes later the mouse was doing the same. edit:well, the pillowmusicbox: Either it's the same like with the "tricks" gene... or is the toy file somewhat messed up and pets actually confuse this with another toy/won't hear music 'n stuff? Maybe someone could take a look into the music box file to find out if it's any different from what the music box in the latest versions was?
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Post by Catbaloo on Jun 15, 2013 14:44:27 GMT -5
Mind=blown!
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Post by ayshajade♥ on Jun 15, 2013 15:49:25 GMT -5
Look at Foofur go! He's totally going in with those moves! I must have been about 3-4 when my mum's friends older daughter introduced me to petz 2 so I could never actually remember the details I have owned 3 up to 5 and never actually bothered with my version 2 copies. Until now that is! *Runs off to install petz 2 onto computer* Why oh why have P.F. Magic missed this out! It reminds me of nintendogs when they dance to music :') Jheez you would have thought Ubisoft would have at least put the dancing back in... I mean that was the least they could do :/
"Maybe they where afraid of complaints from parents about how seeing natural dog behaviors would forever corrupt the minds of their sweet, innocent children." This made me giggle :')
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Post by The Time Void on Jun 16, 2013 1:13:38 GMT -5
Well i'm tempted to try and get petz 2 now to just see what happens with the carry case thing... xD
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Post by nijali on Jun 16, 2013 2:51:40 GMT -5
I took some pictures of them and had the music box out- some of them reacted to it unexpectedly.
Edit 3: NONE of them used the music box as a pillow! Here are my pets dancing:Kirsche (means "Cherry"), M, B+W Siamese + Tabby Bounce bounce bounce!
Birne (means "Pear"), M, B+W Siemese + Tabby Some swinging!
Erdbeere (means "Strawberry"), W, B+W Siamese + Tabby "Oh, I feel like singing!" Dancing. Bouncing a bit. Bouncing a bit and running in a circle.
Ares (greek mythology), M, B+W Siamese + Tabby
Relaxing, listening to some good music, you know, man... This looked pretty cute, especially with his wiggling ears while dancing. Dancing. Unfortunately I didn't catch the right moment to take a picture I'm afraid so this looks just like posing. :/ But he looks happy while dancing, though, ha! I'm pretty surprised they did that. I highly suspect it's their Tabbys genes. I'll have to look into his behavior, maybe as a pure bred Tabby he's doing some tricks and dances aswell. You can download them here if you want to do some tests with their dancing moves. Click on their names. You're directed then to my GoogleDrive where the file can be download. Just the .pet file, no zip/rare archive. Pleae let me know if there's something wrong with the download!Kirsche:Dances a lot in different ways. Bouncy and lovely personality. Birne:Totally freaky dancer. And really cute in general. He's best friends with Kirsche.Erdbeere:Sings, dances. Really cute one. She was my first Tabby/Siamese mixxie with such a beautiful coat and a Siamese head. Ares:Does tricks, loves treats (which I rarely seen on Siameses). He dances and sings, listens to the music with closed eyes. He also sometimes moves a bit weird when flipping and hissing at other petz... slightly looked like dancing to me D: Seems like I chose the name "Ares" right here. I have this often with my Siameses, but he's one of my catz that come to the pointer more frequently and demand to get pet. I think he's a pretty lovely one. But BEWARE: he hates Kirsche and often starts fights with him for no particular reason, while Kirsche mostly ignores him even when he's getting pet. Ares seems to get along quite good with Erdbeere and Birne. Feel free to alter, hex, breed, gender change, return, rename and give them away. What you're doing with them is up to you. Since I mixed them randomly, some are inbred or otherwisely related.They're all from my hexed Black+White hexed Siamese Breed, I don't think you need the breed file. If so, click here to get the breed file. It will overwrite your normal Siamese.cat file. I'm not aware there should be any additional fur files be required or something like this. They weren't painted or otherwisely changed. Some of them also have some Tabby blood. Which may cause the Siameses actually to dance. I still suspect Siameses won't dance often- but Tabby did in previous Petz versions. Since I used PetzA with them I don't know much about all of them at the moment as adults, so some surprises here may occur. The Pets names contain a "D" or "TD" now at the end of their names. This can be removed (same as their names entirely changed as you please), I just put it it in there to keep easy notes on what they're doing. "D" means they do dancing, "T" means they do tricks for treats.Cheers!Edit 4: wth I don't even... *facepalm* I just let all four petz from above out at once. After one hour of nothing special happened, Erdbeere and Ares suddenly fell in love and 3?5? minutes later I was automatically brought to the nursery... that escalated qickly. Blind kittens. But really sweet ones I think. At least they'll be natural dancers then, having the daners gene from both their parents. Wtf.
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