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Post by commander on Mar 17, 2022 20:21:09 GMT -5
...why do I do this to myself... (Image is huge, drag it into a new tab to see it full-sized!) Anyhoo... As I've mentioned before, up until I reinstalled Petz 3 in 2013 or so, nearly every mixed-breed pet I bred was directly descended from one of my main couples. My dogz main couple is Dana and Rufus. I have two main Catz couples, with Sophisto and Pouncer being technically the oldest. I did a family tree for them awhile back, which you can see here, knowing that compared to my other catz couple, theirs would be much easier to make, in part because they "only" have nine children. The thing is, though, the two biggest branches of the S/P family tree were also part of my other Catz couple, Princess and Aaron. But I knew theirs would be much larger... with seventeen children as opposed to nine, with all but one having family branches of their own. But the work was already done with the largest branches (all of Lightning's and most of Asia's), and I figured doing it branching out from the center would work better than a branched "tree" per se, and well, after about a week's work on this, I finally finished it. After much hair-tearing lol. I tried to make each spoke from the parents point to their offspring rather than their offspring's mate, but in some cases because of the positioning, I couldn't manage that. The direct P/A descendant is always sitting in front of their mate, if that helps clear things up more. (No, Princess did not give birth to a giant spinosaurus, lol) Hopefully it's clear who's who, and the birthdays are understandable--many (most, really) were born in P5 as litters, so there's a lot of litter batches here. When in doubt, it's probably safe to assume they were born in September 2008, I was obviously doing a lot of breeding then lol
There are a few other oddities as well. Stormy, the mate of P&A's first child Antar, was adopted via his match status on the old petz.com website, back in early 1999. Her adoption date, however, says June of 2020. She is not that young lol. (I remember how far away that date seemed when we got her lol). Moving to her and Antar's massive branch of the family...this came up in the S/P family tree too, but I tried to make it clearer here--Lisa's father was actually a first-gen persian that I lost/misplaced a long time ago, it seems. And then Juliet, and Starbright too technically, was the result of me putting up my favorite cat Star for a stud service on APKC back when they offered that. (And back when, you know, that site actually existed at all lol). I got two responses, and each time I bred the pair twice, and then sent the mother back to her owner with pics of both the babies giving them the choice of which one they'd like, and I kept the other one. Juliet had a brother and I remember kind of liking him more, but their mother's owner did too lol. That's okay, I've grown to like Juliet a lot too. The second mate Star got was Janit (she's part Asian snow curl from Carolyn's Creations), and their two kittens were Starlight and Starbright I remember, lol. Starlight looked very similar to her sister. After Janit's owner chose to keep Starlight, she told me that I could keep Janit as well. So Star ended up getting a permanent mate from that service. I kept pretty diligent notes in each pet's profile regarding their mate and kittens... except one pair. I wrote in Moppsy's profile that her mate was Ja, but I didn't write their kittens. I knew they had some, but I couldn't remember who! Then I remembered that when putting together my showroom, I mentioned for one of the catz in there that he was a descendant of Ja. It was London, and I checked his profile and saw his mother was Karma, and I remembered Karma had a sister named Dharma... and I was pretty sure they had a brother too, but couldn't remember who... after a bit of searching, I finally figured out it was Henry. Problem solved! Moppsy and Ja's profiles are now updated and correct. Speaking of Moppsy and Ja, though... I adopted Ja from Litterz Factory many years ago, and the version I have of him in P3 was plucked straight from the email that I still had. He and Moppsy were originally mates in P5, though. So I figured while I was sorting out that gap in their profiles that I should re-introduce them in 3. It went... interestingly. At first they completely ignored each other, then continued to mostly ignore each other but still steal glances like this one that only lasted half a second before ignoring each other again, then suddenly wham in love and cooing as if nothing had changed between them from P5 at all. It happened so quickly, in fact, that Moppsy got pregnant, even though I wasn't really intending to breed them again. Here's their newest daughter... I'm kind of torn. She looks so similar to her sister Karma that I don't really want to keep her, and normally I don't have a problem with deleting breeding rejects but... I can't quite bring myself to delete a Princess and Aaron grandchild! But I have no idea if I'd be able to find someone willing to adopt her. So. Argh. I'm not sure what to do with her right now. But hey... her parents' reintroduction was an obvious success, at least lol So... I guess Dana and Rufus's family tree is up next? why do I take on these massive projects, why do I do this to myself
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Post by Thor on Mar 17, 2022 21:14:52 GMT -5
I'm beyond impressed! Wow.... just... wow this looked so hard to do! I'm impressed by your note taking! This is the cutest thing ever though! It makes me nostalgic for natural raising and low gens. I assume a lot of this was just without PetzA eh?
(also I saw you posted Void on Petz Pix chat haha!)
Good luck on your next project Dana and Rufus-- but honestly this is really cool to look at/thru and I'm just so impressed and makes me want to do a low gen little raising/breeding project 😻 Thank you for sharing!
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Post by CatCreature on Mar 17, 2022 23:07:39 GMT -5
Here's their newest daughter... I'm kind of torn. She looks so similar to her sister Karma that I don't really want to keep her, and normally I don't have a problem with deleting breeding rejects but... I can't quite bring myself to delete a Princess and Aaron grandchild! But I have no idea if I'd be able to find someone willing to adopt her. So. Argh. I'm not sure what to do with her right now. But hey... her parents' reintroduction was an obvious success, at least lol So... I guess Dana and Rufus's family tree is up next? why do I take on these massive projects, why do I do this to myself
Oooh...honestly, I'd take her! I was just admiring how pretty she is before I even read that you were at a loss with what to do with her! I love Alley Catz, and Oshie textures...and I love the golden eyes, snow-covered look she seems to have, and even her proportions almost look like what a healthy Alley Cat might actually look like normally! I think she's kind of awesome! <3 But I feel you on the big projects...and DANG was this a big one for you! Look at the size of that tree...how do you even focus on a task so big?? But I tend to overdo it with graphics and showoffs, and the whole time I'm making them, I keep joking to my sister if she's around "Nobody's going to even care about this half as much as I am caring right now!!" because in the end...it feels kind of pointless. I mean, I know people appreciate their Petz being shown off, but every now and then, the HOURS worth of work that goes into it feels a little like...why did I spend SO MUCH TIME doing something that'll catch someone's eye for a minute or two, and be forgotten in a day? I don't know. I question myself sometimes, yet I keep doing it. xD I think you and I get enjoyment out of seeing these projects in their completion, even if it feels like we're only torturing ourselves half the time, LOL! But there IS a satisfying feeling when it's all done and it looks so nice, and you feel like you accomplished something big...maybe that's why we do these things. And we love Petz, so it's fun to spend that time on/with the Petz we adore so much! It's tempting to do something like this sometime...I have so many Petz with a long history myself, and even toyed with the idea of breeding a pet that has direct connections to each of those oldies...but I haven't had enough of an organized mind to set that up lately. This must have taken you ages though!! I love that you have some Spinosaurus mixies too xDD I love that file, it always makes for interesting babies!! Also does Franklin have white paws?? That's so cute! How come Poppies hasn't found a mate yet? Any particular reason? She looks so sweet! There's so many adorable Catz I hardly know where to look!! <3 You're lucky to have any connection to lines going back that far! I feel like I must have started around 1999 myself, but I have NO idea. My first Petz may have been that old...but I can't remember, and they're sadly long gone. (Man I hate that corruption glitch!!) Anyway rambling aside...this was pretty cool to see!!
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Post by Bunni on Mar 18, 2022 9:23:26 GMT -5
Whoa, this incredible!!! How fun and impressive, Commander! ♡
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Post by commander on Mar 19, 2022 8:54:01 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone!
Thor , yeah, a lot was done without PetzA! Everything from around 2008 up I did have PetzA, and I probably used it to make the babies be born instantly because I hate waiting for pregnancies lol, but every couple here did fall in love and breed naturally.
Yes, I've always loved that spinosaurus file! I was surprised that those were the only "mutants" in this line, since I've bred a fair handful of them over the years. My dogz family tree is going to have a bunch more than this, I'm sure lol.
Franklin is actually just a second gen alley cat/Scottish fold. I think the P5 cat breeds can make the paws do some weird stuff lol. I downloaded him, and a bunch of other catz on this tree, from the Petz Genetics website when I decided that every P&A kid other than Poppies needed a mate. The site had second gens of every catz breed with every other breed to show what you could get when crossing the breeds. An archive of the site is here: www.oocities.org/petzgenes/index.htm, and I think some of the downloads in the catz breeding gallery might still work? The dogz breeding gallery was never filled in though, unfortunately.
And the reason Poppies never had a mate is because Princess and Aaron's first four kittens (Antar, Poppies, Schnookums, and Curly) were bred by my brother, and he was a much more responsible Petz owner than I was lol. He didn't want to breed her, so he spayed her. Even though he never neutered Schnookums and Curly, he never actually bred them, either. He only found a mate for Antar, and only his first three kittens (Asia, Lightning, and Star) were bred by him. I know with PetzA I could un-spay Poppies, but I feel like I should respect my brother's wishes with her. I'm happy to have her just be the cool aunt to all her dozens of nieces and nephews lol
And for what it's worth, I always enjoy your show-off posts, even if I don't always comment on them (I'm really bad at remembering to comment on things)! You never fail to pick such fun pics of your Petz to show off and I can tell how much work you put into them.
Now then... I have some bad news. After I posted this, I was updating my showroom and while scrolling through it, I made a terrible discovery...
This family tree was incomplete.
What happened was this--I scrolled past the entry for my cat Stressor in my showroom, and saw that I had noted that he was a Princess and Aaron descendant and also a grandson of Eder. I nodded, smiling, and started thinking to myself, "Hmm, I don't remember taking his pic for the family tree." I looked at Teddy and Eder's branch... and I hadn't.
So I had to put Stressor into my game and check his family tree, and saw that he was Fudge's son, and Fudge is a child of Teddy and Eder, and I remembered she had a sister named Lindsay, who of course I also bred. And I had completely neglected to put them and their children on the original version of the family tree, which meant not only did I have eight more catz that needed to be put on the tree, but I also had to move Teddy and Eder's children around to make room for them.
AAARGH (slams head against desk)
Now I knew, when I made the tree originally, that Teddy and Eder had had more than three children. They were always one of my favorite pairs to breed, and when I started my website way back in high school I remembered that I had bred them and put up a number of their kittens for adoption on my website. Lindsay and Fudge must have either been kittens that I kept aside for myself from that venture, or kittens that failed to find a home from the litter posted on my website. I suspect it's the latter, since that would explain why I hadn't noted their existence in either Teddy or Eder's profile. In retrospect, I'm like, "duh, how did I forget these two?!" because I've always liked both Lindsay and Fudge a lot, and they look quite similar to Eder except with Teddy's timid oshie personality, and it's like duh, of COURSE they're Teddy and Eder's daughters! How did I miss that?!
Sigh. Anyhoo. Error has been corrected, they and their families are in the pic, and Teddy and Eder's profiles have been updated to correctly include all FIVE of their children (although they did have more... I wonder if any of their kittens I gave up for adoption are still floating around somewhere?)
This whole project has turned out to be far more dramatic than I originally intended lol
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Post by CatCreature on Mar 19, 2022 22:08:49 GMT -5
Ahh thank you!! ;-; I already posted pictures of her...she's just precious!!
Oh that's random! I wonder if Scottish Folds have white paws underneath their textures...I can't actually remember! I've never seen the site you linked before! I can see why you downloaded so many, there are so many cute results!! I might have nabbed a couple Alley mixies just now as well, because ahh! <3
I see! I've got a pet or two, mainly with breedfiles that wound up creating issues, that can't actually breed without breaking the game...so I have a few as well who are unable to pass on their genetics. Poppies may be in the minority of Petz these days by being unable to breed for one reason or another, but she's not alone! xD And she's definitely got a huge family regardless!!
Haha thank you! I do still keep up with them as best I can, even if it feels a bit tedious sometimes. It IS fun to see the finished results after all! ^^
Ohhh no! LOL I can't believe you had MORE to add, but at least you figured that out!! That would make me pretty crazy! xDD But it sounds like you managed to make it work, even with how full the family tree was!!
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Post by Thor on Mar 20, 2022 11:50:35 GMT -5
Oh my god you had more to add. This is truly a labor of love but it is really cool. I loved reading about this thread and the previous family tree thread you made (and RQ's first dog thread too)-- threads like this are really fun because of the history <3
Makes me wish I had kept my first petz on a floppy drive somewhere .... alas haha
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Post by Kayota on Aug 30, 2022 15:30:50 GMT -5
Sorry to somewhat necro a thread but what dino file is that? It looks cool!
EDIT - nvm, I found it!
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Post by KeyGlyph on Sept 21, 2022 13:32:13 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, I love your take on the tree. The fact that it radiates out from a central point is so clever -- not just because it's a more efficient use of space with a group this large, but because it really drives home how this whole crew blossomed from one special couple from so long ago. Having that history presented this way is so impactful and nostalgic. I also don't know if you've always dressed Princess and Aaron that way, but I love how old-school it is. It really gives them the gravitas you'd expect from great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents putting on their best for a sepia-toned family photo.
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