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Post by Thor on Mar 17, 2022 14:08:53 GMT -5
Sasha that matches with my experiences whenever my game crashes or I have to find an old copy (I tend to lose my petz files?) and petz have to re-meet and suddenly their relationship is very different. It feels almost random. I kind of wonder if a scientific approach to this could be to do what Sasha did with fresh copies and let them meet, then exit the game and see what part of the .pet file changes when a pet meets and how? It would be in the section of the pet file we don't know much about yeah? The petz history section (I don't remember what the name is)? Edit: I just saw gyiyg 's reply! Does this mean we know a bit about this section and how the entries are stored?
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Post by gyiyg on Mar 17, 2022 15:10:33 GMT -5
i think we know that it's stored in the association matrix somewhere and not that much else? i'm just guessing that if the relationship is different for both petz after reintroduction, presumably it would rewrite the entry for that pet in that section, haha
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Post by Sasha on Mar 18, 2022 1:42:35 GMT -5
Interesting thank you so much for the replies! I tried to do the same thing with my high finnickiness oshie Princess but it seems that the ‘can’t be friends’ thing is correct because Princess isn’t interested in any of my petz no matter what I do
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Post by gyiyg on Mar 18, 2022 9:45:56 GMT -5
something else i've noticed that i forgot to mention is that i think the thing with finickiness may apply to "neutral" relationships as well: i've noticed that damien will only wrestle with most petz he has a neutral relationship and the only one i can remember him being willing to do the "idle with pet" goal (sniffing, poking, grooming themselves next to each other, etc.) with off the top of my head is verb, who is a high-finickiness meezer mix. adult+child interactions override this and they'll do buddy and idle interactions regardless, but if both are the same age the finickiness filter applies. romantic relationships also seem to override it, though, since they can become flirty regardless of the other pet's finickiness level!
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Post by Thor on Mar 18, 2022 11:29:10 GMT -5
So finickiness petz can never have friends? that's so sad haha they just tolerate other petz 😆
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Post by gyiyg on Mar 18, 2022 12:08:22 GMT -5
So finickiness petz can never have friends? that's so sad haha they just tolerate other petz 😆 they can... but only other petz that also have high finickiness can be friends with them, lol
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Post by Thor on Mar 18, 2022 13:08:23 GMT -5
So finickiness petz can never have friends? that's so sad haha they just tolerate other petz 😆 they can... but only other petz that also have high finickiness can be friends with them, lol I read that they "idle with pet" so do two finicky petz "buddy with pet" ever?--other than children or love interests-- So do two speutered & finicky petz do "buddy with" goals?
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Post by gyiyg on Mar 18, 2022 15:42:56 GMT -5
they can... but only other petz that also have high finickiness can be friends with them, lol I read that they "idle with pet" so do two finicky petz "buddy with pet" ever?--other than children or love interests-- So do two speutered & finicky petz do "buddy with" goals? i mentioned in an earlier post i think, but they also do "bond with buddy" with other finicky petz. they won't do "bond with buddy" or "idle with pet" with low-finickiness petz even if they'd normally be buddy or neutral with them, they completely ignore them in the case of buddy compatibility and for neutral they only wrestle and never just idle with them. their pickiness apparently applies to friends and acquaintances and not just toys and clothes, haha
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Post by lobb on Mar 19, 2022 17:45:02 GMT -5
I haven't been around much lately due to busy irl stuff but this thread is so interesting and I'm glad I saw it! I'll try to contribute more when I'm properly back but for now here's a bit about Raffles's personality and relationships.
This is his personality. As you can see, he's got pretty high kindness (84) and high nurturing (92). He's not finnicky at all and his intelligence is somewhat low (32). His independence is exactly 50, probably because the Shelter Dog file is unibreed.
Some general notes:
- He often seems to be friendly towards most pets he meets. When he gets angry, he's usually reacting to other pets bullying him. I've only seen him get angry for no reason once or twice. I'll have to try to remember who that was so I can post their personality.
- A lot of times he's neutral or even sad when I put other pets away. It's way more common for other pets to be happy when he leaves than for him to be happy about others leaving.
Friendship
This is his most recent friend, Woof. He's a Wheaten Terrier. The two get along VERY well and became attached to each other very fast. One play session was enough for Woof to feel sad if I put Raffles away (and vice-versa). This was the first time I looked at Woof's personality and it's interesting that he and Raffles are so similar. Some values are VERY close, like Intelligence, Nurturing, etc.. It seems like having a similar personality can be a factor but I don't know how other stuff (like both having no finnickness) might affect it.
This is Jonas (oddly, he's a bred pet and not from the AC but so many of his values look weird). He and Raffles used to be best friends until Jonas randomly decided he hates Raffles. It's interesting that some values seem similar-ish. The only thing I can think of that might explain why they suddenly stopped getting along is Jonas's quirkiness -- 9 doesn't seem high, but it's definitely higher than 0. I wonder if a pet having non-zero quirkiness can cause this.
Romance
Raffles took a very long time to find mates -- I'd literally had him for months -- and then he got two on consecutive days. He's been neutered since and it doesn't seem to affect his existing romances. His mates have also been spayed. In fact, I've unspayed/unneutered them a couple of times since and they were able to breed naturally almost immediately. When neutered and spayed, they still stare at each other and do lots of "romantic" animations.
This is Caro. She's way more playful, naughty, and intelligent and much less nurturing and independent. I honestly have no idea which traits might have affected it.
This is Cloud. I'm very confused because I could have sworn she had high kindness and even sleepy sickness? ? I'm so confused now. Anyway, her kindness, patience and naughtiness are way lower, but she's much more finnicky and playful. She's about as nurturing as he is.
What I see in common between the two is that they're not very kind but are very playful. It's interesting to note that Cloud and Caro have basically opposite patience and nurturing values.
Caro and Cloud haven't shown much (if any) romantic interest in other pets.
Both of them have 0 love loyalty, as does Raffles, so I'm guessing that's not why their relationships have lasted so long.
Rain & Seaglass
These are two of Raffles's daughters and they're very close in age (one day apart, I think). Seaglass is Caro's daughter and Rain is Cloud's. Raffles get along with both... except the two sisters seem to strongly dislike each other. I feel like that's gotten a bit better but for a while I absolutely could not have them out at the same time. Make of that what you will!
When I'm back, I'll have to remember to post these 3 cats I have who are best friends and even flirty with each other(they're all females). They seem to have pretty different personalities so it might be interesting to look at that.
EDIT: I just thought about gyiyg's posts above, about petz with high finnickness only being friends with other high finnickness pets. That's interesting! I wonder if there's something else that can cause exceptions to that rule. Caro has high finnickness and she and Raffles were friends before they were mates, I think. At the very least, it doesn't seem to prevent high-low finnickness relationships!
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Post by Thor on Mar 20, 2022 1:17:23 GMT -5
Is Cloud pregnant? Sometimes that can affect these numbers if you think that there is a difference between Cloud from how you remember lobb
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Post by lobb on Mar 20, 2022 15:42:24 GMT -5
Is Cloud pregnant? Sometimes that can affect these numbers if you think that there is a difference between Cloud from how you remember lobb Nope, she's not pregnant, she's spayed What's more likely is that I just misremembered.
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Post by Anthracite on Mar 22, 2022 12:33:24 GMT -5
So my game just crashed after introducing a new pup to four other dogz. Upon reset the previous "all hate" has become "all neutral or friendly", so yeah I'm pretty sure it's entirely random.
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Post by powerwave on Mar 22, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -5
I'm entirely new and in the dark about this side of Petz. What is the software used to view the personality of a pet and where can I download it?
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Post by lobb on Mar 22, 2022 18:03:56 GMT -5
I'm entirely new and in the dark about this side of Petz. What is the software used to view the personality of a pet and where can I download it? Here's a link It's called "Goal Descriptor Analyzer" and it's by Reflet. You can see more discussions about it here (it's also where I got the download link).
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Post by powerwave on Mar 23, 2022 8:46:42 GMT -5
Appreciate it!
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