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Post by meowlissa on Sept 3, 2021 20:12:39 GMT -5
With the new discoveries in toy hexing, a frisbee has been developed especially for catz. It has a high "mouse-like" attribute. Catz can grab it out of the air, especially in the playpen and other no-horizon playscenes. Gyiyg has one available for download on Polygondwanaland. This proposal is for those who'd like to open their frisbee shows to catz! The points system would be the same as the dogz system by Salem. The titles would be: FC (Frisbee Cat) at 10 pts AFC (Advanced Frisbee Cat) at 20 pts FCX (Frisbee Cat of Excellence) at 30pts Pictures should ideally show a cat grabbing the frisbee out of the air. Entrants are judged by enthusiasm and quality of the picture. Examples:     Less good examples (frisbee not visible or missed catching it)   Feedback welcome! |
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Post by Palecat5 on Sept 3, 2021 21:05:25 GMT -5
Oh wow!! That is awesome!!
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Post by zan on Sept 4, 2021 1:41:35 GMT -5
Ooh that's really awesome!
I'll have to have a play around with it; I'm not really much of a catz person and definitely feel I'd need some familiarity with how catz interact with it and how to tell whether the cat is airborne or not (in your examples, it looks like number 2 is? but I'm not sure about the others!). I could consider opening future frisbee shows to both dogz and catz - or the other option of course would be for people to host separate frisbee shows for the two species, if there's enough interest!
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Post by lobb on Sept 4, 2021 10:36:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I think my only issue is whether it's possible to tell when it's a picture of the cats catching the frisbee in the air, because sometimes it doesn't seem easy to tell. Otherwise, I love this and I'd be so happy if my cats could enter frisbee shows! <3
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Post by zan on Sept 4, 2021 11:28:32 GMT -5
Okay, so me and Zorza have been having a play with the cat frisbee and...
We like it a lot!
I took a lot of pictures of Zorza trying to catch the frisbee while it's flying, and because it's a 'pounce' behaviour rather than the dogz mid-air leap-and-catch, it's hard to get a shot that doesn't just look like the cat pouncing on it; I'm not sure I managed anything where Zorza actually looks airborne?
Maybe my best approximating of a jumping, mid-air catch? ...not super-enthusiastic though, lol.
When the frisbee is lying still on the floor, it seems as though cats are more likely to bat it around/otherwise play with it. I don't think I saw that kind of 'pawing' behaviour while the frisbee was in the air. But essentially I don't know how to tell, just from looking at a picture, whether the cat caught the toy while it was still moving or whether it was static when the cat pounced on it.
Is there a way to differentiate? If not, then I think the 'enthusiasm' qualifier will be key when judging these shows - so people should aim for an enthusiastic, dynamic-looking catch that, if possible, gives the impression of jumping to catch the frisbee? Any thoughts?
If I were to hold these shows I think I'd separate them from dogz frisbee shows as the behaviour and what I would probably look for in catz is significantly different.
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Post by lobb on Sept 4, 2021 12:10:23 GMT -5
Okay, so me and Zorza have been having a play with the cat frisbee and...
We like it a lot!
I took a lot of pictures of Zorza trying to catch the frisbee while it's flying, and because it's a 'pounce' behaviour rather than the dogz mid-air leap-and-catch, it's hard to get a shot that doesn't just look like the cat pouncing on it; I'm not sure I managed anything where Zorza actually looks airborne?
Maybe my best approximating of a jumping, mid-air catch? ...not super-enthusiastic though, lol.
When the frisbee is lying still on the floor, it seems as though cats are more likely to bat it around/otherwise play with it. I don't think I saw that kind of 'pawing' behaviour while the frisbee was in the air. But essentially I don't know how to tell, just from looking at a picture, whether the cat caught the toy while it was still moving or whether it was static when the cat pounced on it.
Is there a way to differentiate? If not, then I think the 'enthusiasm' qualifier will be key when judging these shows - so people should aim for an enthusiastic, dynamic-looking catch that, if possible, gives the impression of jumping to catch the frisbee? Any thoughts?
If I were to hold these shows I think I'd separate them from dogz frisbee shows as the behaviour and what I would probably look for in catz is significantly different.
I just tested it as well!
It seems like cats themselves don't become airborne when catching the frisbee. Also, when I was testing it in the toy room, they seem to be unable to catch it if it's flying against the "wall" area -- they only seem able to catch it if it's flying around over the carpet.
I enjoyed this a lot and would definitely join catz frisbee shows. It would definitely be nice if dog and cat shows could be lumped together to keep the shows from not filling up or being too slow.
That said, I agree with zan, they should probably be separate shows, at least for the most part. Unlike tricks or agility, the animations are different enough that the things you'd like for would probably be different as well. I also feel like it could be unfair to the cats to enter them in "all pets" frisbee shows. One of the things I use when judging frisbee shows is how "action-y" the shot looks, and that's a lot easier to convery with a dog leaping in midair than with a cat grabbing the frisbee, so "action-y" for cats would look different.
Like I said, I definitely hope this takes off, I had a lot of fun playing frisbee with my cats! It would be really nice to have one more titles for cats to win.
(Also, as an aside, about cats batting the frisbee around when it's on the floor or very close, they already do that with regular frisbee but it might be a personality thing. The cats I see doing it most often are Ragtag -- the white cat above -- who is a trickster, as well as her baby.)
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Post by zan on Sept 4, 2021 12:32:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed that I couldn't get cats to go for the frisbee when holding it above the floor level, too.
I'm leaning towards opening a cat frisbee show soon just to see how it goes! Like you said, it's a lot of fun to play with and there will be titles on offer so hopefully that motivates people. I think the more consistently show like this are held, the more people will start to enter, too. It's hard to know whether it's worth the effort sometimes if you're not sure these shows will be a lasting part of the petz community.
Like I said I think I'd prefer to separate the shows for dogz and catz, but I do think it'd be possible to combine them - you'd be judging the catz against the standard of what it's possible for catz to accomplish with the frisbee, and dogz against what's possible for them, so even if it's slightly different, placements can still be decided upon. It's kind of like pose show judging where ideally, each pose should be judged against what's the best pose possible for a dog of that breed/those body parts; it keeps it fair even when different pets have different capabilities.
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Post by lobb on Sept 4, 2021 17:43:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed that I couldn't get cats to go for the frisbee when holding it above the floor level, too.
I'm leaning towards opening a cat frisbee show soon just to see how it goes! Like you said, it's a lot of fun to play with and there will be titles on offer so hopefully that motivates people. I think the more consistently show like this are held, the more people will start to enter, too. It's hard to know whether it's worth the effort sometimes if you're not sure these shows will be a lasting part of the petz community.
Like I said I think I'd prefer to separate the shows for dogz and catz, but I do think it'd be possible to combine them - you'd be judging the catz against the standard of what it's possible for catz to accomplish with the frisbee, and dogz against what's possible for them, so even if it's slightly different, placements can still be decided upon. It's kind of like pose show judging where ideally, each pose should be judged against what's the best pose possible for a dog of that breed/those body parts; it keeps it fair even when different pets have different capabilities.
Please do! I'd definitely join. You're right about how hard it is to know whether shows will stick or not, but hopefully there's enough interest to get at least a handful of people in them, and maybe the September Activity Shows initiative will encourage others to join.
That's good point about different standards taking breeds into account, though I'm not sure if that really works in practice. For example, I think it was you who recently posted about liking a certain angle for dog frisbee along with the face being clearly visible, though in some dogs, the same angle makes the eyes invisible (because of hair, I guess?). This isn't a criticism or anything, just pointing out that it can be hard when you don't know the dog yourself to know what is or isn't possible for them.
I think you're right and doing "all pets" frisbee shows would work, though.
Seeing more catz frisbee shows would help. They'd mean more pictures of cats catching frisbees so it would be a really good way to get an idea of how different catches look when cats do them and how they could be judged.
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Post by zan on Sept 5, 2021 11:39:38 GMT -5
I think all it'll take is for a handful of people to consistently hold and enter shows and hopefully it'll take off? As long as I have time I'll keep running dogz frisbee shows; those seem to be a little more solidified in terms of interest now.
For my dog frisbee preferences, regardless of the angle of the body I like the face to be looking directly at the camera, so I don't think there's any breed (out of the originals) that wouldn't have the expression showing in that case? Correct me if I'm wrong though - like I said in that post, I'm still figuring out exactly how to judge this show type, and I want to be fair to all entrants and not fault them for something they physically can't do. This might be harder with hexies/hexed breeds though as if I'm not familiar with them I won't always be able to tell what is and isn't possible, but obviously if it's clearly just a limitation of their file I wouldn't fault them for it, judging is flexible and allowances can always be made where needed. But anyway, this is why I limit my pose shows to petzy breeds/mixes/hexes, as otherwise I can't fairly judge it.
Anyway, going to go and open a catz frisbee show because playing with the toy has been really fun! Like you said, I think seeing what people come up with in terms of entries will help! How to judge them will just be a work in progress based on what I see/end up liking, lol. I'll try to give some feedback when I judge. Hopefully people will enter!
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I've been a slacker. *blush*