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Post by Anthracite on Jul 7, 2021 21:12:35 GMT -5
So... I've never really been in this side of the PC before, only ever PKC and DG, so I'm out of the loop of what the general PC is like. In the PKC hexed files and external furfiles are the norm, and no one will breed petz without Ch titles. All petz are expected to be shown until Ch as well (PKC Ch of course, different to pose shows). I'm gathering in the general PC hexed and external files aren't particularly popular, but there's much more leniency about showing. Also hexing realistic patterns to fit the standards is ubiquitous in PKC, as it's based on real dog showing, but the general PC seems to prefer the in game markings. And obviously purebreds are favoured in PKC, compared to mixies outside. Or maybe I'm wrong...
I'd be very grateful if members could help me get my bearings, especially when considering whether there'd be any interest in adoptions.
Does anyone use external files or are they an instant off put off?
Is there any interest in low-gen purebreds or random mixies?
Is there any interest in realistic dogz (and since most dogs irl are very average, those dogz might not be very interesting)?
Are sire/dam services a thing here? Asking for a pet to borrow for breeding then sending back?
Do you expect dogz to be shown?
Is any dog that has been hexed in colour/texture considered a hexie here?
Do you allow petz you breed to be brexed in a substantial way?
Thank you for any answers, and feel free just to answer for yourself or how you see the PC in general.
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Post by Thor on Jul 7, 2021 21:45:58 GMT -5
I feel like it depends who you ask. I've seen folks on the Petz Discords just mashing together tons of random breeds together and adopting them out. Even P5 and P5 breeds are coming back in style again (especially with the invention of the P4 to P5 converter tool!).
For me, personally, a lot of external files are a somewhat turn off (I'm a bit picky). But I still have at least 30 extra breedfiles in my game right now so clearly that hasn't stopped me hahaha
I'm from the DG and PKC world so I love low-gen purebreds and low-gen mixies that have been raised by a community member <3 it's just special to me that way.
I am so interested in your hexing so I totally wave my hand up back and forth at the interest in realistic dogz hexing, especially on the Original Breedz. I don't even care how "average" they are haha. I'd personally consider any hexing job, even if it's just recoloring and painting to be a hexie. I also personally love brexing and typically brex stuff I breed and adopt from others. There's a few folks in the community that strictly prohibit brexing their adoptions but the list of who doesn't allow this is incredibly tiny so I just try to remember that and/or write it in the petz profile. I totally love the idea of brexing in even a substantial way-- what a fun way to try to get those petz adopted out that otherwise are too plain for the community?
If you look at some of the adoptions threads around here, you'll see most don't really specify showing but the ones that do, are usually "showing not required, but encouraged", etc. Especially the SGCh litter threads. But I def don't see it as strict as the PKC showing scene. I personally enjoy seeing folks showing petz I breed but I don't require it.
Nice to see you around :)
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Post by Anthracite on Jul 8, 2021 8:57:18 GMT -5
Thank you for the answers, and the welcome, Thor. I know at least one member I can dump unwanted hexies on then
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Post by ECRose on Jul 8, 2021 9:20:35 GMT -5
I'm a little from column A and a little from column B. I enjoy external files for accessories, and I hoard breedfiles. In practice, my favorite petz are all original game breeds though, and I *generally* keep them separate from my petz from hexed breedfiles. I have profiles for hexed breedfile creations and when I want to enjoy those, that's the profile I load. I play with my petz, so movement is a big thing. If a hexed breedfile can't "play" I'm not going to use it. I will probably keep it saved on my computer, but I won't adopt from it because I never got into showing or anything like that. Basically, I like hexed breedz that are easily recognizable as their real life counterpart, but they have that petzy cuteness. And they need to be able to breed with original game files without creating aliens. I have a profile for Carolyn's Oddballz conversions when I want to do that. I don't really care what generation a pet is if I like the look. Heavens, one of my oldest catz is an AC Russian Blue that I painted. Play with him all the time. Technically he isn't "special" in the way that other petz are, but he is special to me and I'll have had him in my main "play" profile for 21 years in September. I've never really gotten into the hexie thing, so I don't have any information about textures and popular looks beyond oh, 2005ish maybe. Big noses with the Disney shine line across the top. Are those still a thing? I don't know. I marveled at the talented folks when I was a young person. I got into making toyz since I knew I could never compete with the pet/breed hexers. I also don't know anything about current expectations for showing, etc. I haven't adopted in a long time. I suppose if I was adopting out a pet I would just say "have fun" and let it be at that. But that has always been my philosophy. I'm a bit of an outlier I think, so take all of this with a grain of salt. ~ECRose
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Post by Rho on Jul 8, 2021 9:25:15 GMT -5
I'm sort of the opposite of you, I'm newer to DG and only barely started PKC before it went down. So I will answer these based on my observations in the other forums and discord servers!
Does anyone use external files or are they an instant off put off? Hexies commonly use external textures and people are fine with that, but in general I notice regular litters/adoptions find homes MUCH sooner if they require no extra files.
Is there any interest in low-gen purebreds or random mixies? Low-gen purebreds maybe if they carry a colour (visible in genepoolz) that someone's looking for in a non-inbred project. Random low-gen mixies, maybe? But that's too soon to breed true, so probably less interest.
Is there any interest in realistic dogz (and since most dogs irl are very average, those dogz might not be very interesting)? I would say moderate to low interest, it seems like the original breeds are the most popular.
Are sire/dam services a thing here? Asking for a pet to borrow for breeding then sending back? Yep! And breeding services (where you choose two from someone's crew) are hoppin'
Do you expect dogz to be shown? No, very low expectation for that around here. Sometimes if it's a SGCh litter there will be a showing stipulation. But I've never seen it "enforced" or expected to show to a certain title. You could enter a few forum shows and it would be fulfilled. But if someone even cares about SGCh lineage, chances are they're into forum showing themselves and will gladly show the adoption to SGCh.
Is any dog that has been hexed in colour/texture considered a hexie here? I think I'd call just colour/textures more like hex painting or brexing. Hexies normally have substantial body mods.
Do you allow petz you breed to be brexed in a substantial way? It varies! Eyelid and small changes are generally allowed, some people want no changes at all, some people say do whatever you want!
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Post by zan on Jul 8, 2021 10:11:10 GMT -5
I'll answer for myself and my impressions of the community here in general!
Does anyone use external files or are they an instant off put off?
I don't, I prefer to stick to original breeds/overwrites only. I don't want extra breedfiles in my game and this definitely influences my adopting choices. In my experience, adoptions with hexed breedfiles in the lineage are less popular, probably for this reason. The only way I can see myself being interested in a pet requiring an external breedfile now is if it's a thoughtfully bred purebred with a good lineage and interesting genetics. I like external files for extra playscenes/toyz/clothes etc though.
Is there any interest in low-gen purebreds or random mixies?
It depends. These are less likely to be interesting or well-proportioned, so personally I'm unlikely to want them. However, if they are offered as freebie adoptions you're likely to get people taking some off your hands. You could always brex them to make them more appealing.
Is there any interest in realistic dogz (and since most dogs irl are very average, those dogz might not be very interesting)?
Not a great deal that I've noticed, but not zero either. I think a few people have particular breeds/files that they have a specific interest in. Most people seem to favour the petzy look and markings of the original breeds (and to be honest, this kind of goes hand-in-hand with the lower popularity of separate hexed breedfiles). I think there's a bit more interest in realistic hexpainted original breeds (so no shape changes, just colouration) though.
Are sire/dam services a thing here? Asking for a pet to borrow for breeding then sending back?
Yes, though breeding services (where you request a litter by choosing a pair of someone's petz to be bred) are more common than sire/dam services. I don't think borrowing/sending petz for breeding is that commonly offered, but it could be that some people do it more informally. It's not something I've done.
Do you expect dogz to be shown?
No, and I say that as someone who is pretty active in the showing scene. I love shows! But I totally get that it's not interesting for everyone else. And it's not like I show every pet I have, anyway. I usually mention if a pet I'm selling/adopting out has SGCh. parents, but mainly because that's a draw to some people and thus can add to the pet's perceived value. I've participated in SGCh litter trades before (where you breed a litter from two of your SGChs to offer a puppy/kitten from in order to adopt one from someone else's SGCh x SGCh litter) but even then showing your new addition isn't usually a strict requirement (though it's very likely, given that if you're breeding SGChs and seeking out the offspring of other SGChs to adopt, you're probably into showing). Tbh I don't really mind what people do with petz they adopt from me. If it's a litter from particularly prized parents or old/special lines someone might specifically require showing, but it's rare.
Is any dog that has been hexed in colour/texture considered a hexie here?
I'd consider it a hexie, yes, because to me hexing is the process, not the level of modification it's used for.
Do you allow petz you breed to be brexed in a substantial way?
I'm not sure anyone has ever made more than minor changes (like eyelids) but I'd be more than happy for people to do it. As I said, I don't have many rules (only no reselling and to incorporate my prefix if showing).
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Post by Anthracite on Jul 8, 2021 12:31:21 GMT -5
Thank you for the answers, intended to reply hours ago and got dragged away. ECRose First off I love your avatar. Second, the Disney noses were in a few new PKC files before I left so I guess they're still in fashion; I just plonk two paintballz nose shines on them though. @rho I had no idea PKC had gone down so I ran to look and... wow. That's not good. That site did need a serious update though, so hopefully when you go back you'll have a better experience. zan Thank you for the response! Well I think this has cleared things up for me. I'll stick to only breeding for myself unless someone actually wants one, and ask before adopting about hexing dogz
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Post by Megan@Xoops ❄️ on Jul 8, 2021 15:35:51 GMT -5
Just jumping in with another vote for basically everything Rho and Zan said - if I answered each question, my opinion would be basically the same as theirs. It's definitely a bit of a different world compared to the PKC.
I still do Disney noses? I hadn't ever heard of them being called that, even 10+ yrs ago lol, but I like them on a lot of my hexies (I do the "shine" line straight across). It's funny though, cause I LOVE Disney haha but never made that connection.
Don't let any of this discourage you from being part of our side of the world though! Show off your petz, and if you want original breed mixies or purebreds etc, adopt some and maybe breed those for the community if you'd like? Regardless, we're happy to have you!
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Post by Anthracite on Jul 8, 2021 17:52:46 GMT -5
Megan@Xoops ❄️ Thank you I keep very few petz of my own so maybe I'll just hex some OBs occasionally, see how that goes. Luckily I have no aversion to deleting petz that don't get adopted
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Post by Anthracite on Jul 11, 2021 9:35:32 GMT -5
I have another newb question. I read somewhere that Petz Flux erases learned tricks; does anyone know if this is true? I wouldn't mind taking advantage of the litterz feature on occasion without having to deal with all the P5 bugs, but I teach my dogz a lot of tricks and don't want to lose all that.
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Post by Reflet on Jul 11, 2021 15:28:21 GMT -5
Hello! PetFlux creator here. Here are the exact changes made to a pet file during conversion: - The entire clothes section, which begins after the LNZ section, is removed and replaced with 3,334 0x00 bytes
- Four extraneous 0x00 bytes are removed immediately before the 4th instance of string "p.f.magicpetzIII", which denotes the start of the Sprite+Goal Descriptor section
- 64 bytes containing the pet's minigame records and Happy Pet certificate, located 25 bytes before string "PFMAGICPETZIII", are removed
- The .pet file format's magic number, located at offset 0x318, is changed from 0xACB0003 to 0xACB0002
- The checksum of the file, located at offset 0x31C, is recalculated and replaced
The rest of the file, including the trick section (located at offset 0x383), is an exact copy.
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Post by Anthracite on Jul 11, 2021 15:46:38 GMT -5
Reflet I'm not going to pretend I understood most of that, but thank you for answering
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Post by Sue on Jul 12, 2021 8:20:10 GMT -5
^ *giggling* Your questions are great, as are the answers! I found this entire thread helpful and interesting. So, thanks... and welcome!
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Post by Sasha on Jul 12, 2021 12:19:40 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread! I’m going to be adding my own responses!
Does anyone use external files or are they an instant off put off? External textures? Yes, yes and YES. I adore external textures, they allow for so much more customisation. My favourite cat, Marina has 6 of them. xD
External files? I think as long as they’re purebred or hexed, depending on the popularity of the file, they could definitely be popular. Especially play friendly files like sunhill persians and that one Aussie file I forgot that everyone’s obsessed with xD
I don’t think mixing loads of external files is super popular though, but you never know!
Is there any interest in low-gen purebreds or random mixies? I think low gen purebreds are more popular than low gen random mixies, non inbred is a must
Is there any interest in realistic dogz (and since most dogs irl are very average, those dogz might not be very interesting)? I think anything well hexed is liked!
Are sire/dam services a thing here? Asking for a pet to borrow for breeding then sending back? I haven’t really seen a service but I did do a collab with smonikkims where I bred some of her female Danes to my male Dane and adopted out the puppies on my site
Do you expect dogz to be shown? No but I reaaaally love it if it does happen
Is any dog that has been hexed in colour/texture considered a hexie here? I think that depends, if it’s an edited first gen then I’m sure that’s a hexie regardless of how little the editing is (unless we’re talking like, eyelids) but if it’s a high generation pet as you know is often just called a brexie. So I guess that’s a hexie too? Ostehøvel on my website is a good example of what people consider a brexie. His pf magic colours and bodyparts are still visible. I think if he would have been made even fancier or unrealistic people might think of him as more of a hexie again? Idk it’s confusing xD
Do you allow petz you breed to be brexed in a substantial way? Personally I do but I’d like to be told so if I see the pet in a show or a showoff I’m not like ‘huh I didn’t hex that’ xD
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Post by shaina @ kizmet on Jul 12, 2021 14:48:22 GMT -5
Is any dog that has been hexed in colour/texture considered a hexie here?I think that depends, if it’s an edited first gen then I’m sure that’s a hexie regardless of how little the editing is (unless we’re talking like, eyelids) but if it’s a high generation pet as you know is often just called a brexie. So I guess that’s a hexie too? Ostehøvel on my website is a good example of what people consider a brexie. His pf magic colours and bodyparts are still visible. I think if he would have been made even fancier or unrealistic people might think of him as more of a hexie again? Idk it’s confusing xD All brexies are hexies, but not all hexies are brexies. xD
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