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Post by Thor on Apr 21, 2019 12:10:38 GMT -5
Is there a thing where a cat breathes too fast? I have a cat where I hold space bar to get a bunch of photos, but only 1 frame of these photos has the cat breathing in! So this cat takes like a "fast breath". Here is Pond at her highest breath (only for 1 frame), and the next photo is the next frame with a beautiful tail curve: She's been doing this every single time Is there a trick or a reason she's doing this? Thanks!
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Post by Ratqueen on Apr 21, 2019 13:13:54 GMT -5
There isn't really any "breathing" thing going on with catz posing, like it is with dogz. Once a cat starts the posing sequence (and except for possible head/face doing undesirable things at the same time), the sequence is ALWAYS the same. It's a question of timing, and there is only 1 optimum frame (that I know of -- I cannot space-pose in P5, so I have to take the pic at the exact right time). I look at the tail to know where we're at in the whole posing sequence, and kind of know when it is by force of habit. Posing tailless catz is a little harder for me, because I miss the tail queue, so when I pose those I count in my head, imagining the tail is actually there doing its thing, and take the pic when it's around 2 or 2.5 seconds in. The sequence starts when the cat does its little hop before posing.
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Post by Thor on Apr 21, 2019 13:57:04 GMT -5
so when I pose those I count in my head, imagining the tail is actually there doing its thing, and take the pic when it's around 2 or 2.5 seconds in.
Oh my goodness you are a god at this. Anyway, of those above images, the tail curve is better on the first one of each, but the cat breathes in on the second image. So I don't need the cat to have a breath in? Just the better tail curve? Also, on other catz I pose, they seem to hold their breath longer (or their chest doesn't move as rapidly as this cat's). Could it just be personality?
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Post by Ratqueen on Apr 21, 2019 14:53:15 GMT -5
The tail curve is much better in the second pictures (right ones) for both -- it's too straight in the first pics, and perfect on the second ones for that type of tail. And you should completely forget about "breathing" when posing catz, as it's completely irrelevant in their case When the tail is at the optimum angle/curve (providing the cat is also optimally aligned) is when the pic should be taken (you can view that as their "perfect breathing point" in a way). The posing sequence happens so fast that I always press the spacebar JUST before my eyes can visually acknowledge the tail is in a perfect curve (counting in my head and using the tail's moving speed as queue), otherwise it always seems to take the pic with the tail curved all the way to the left.
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Post by Amanda on Apr 21, 2019 15:55:41 GMT -5
I think you are probably seeing a skinny pose! It's hard to spot in catz (and probably doesn't affect judging at all except with judges who know to look for it), but it makes the chest ball not inflate like in a normal pose (the same way skinny poses happen in dogz only it's much less noticeable). Skinny poses only happen if you've petted the cat/dog in its current position, and once it has started skinny posing it will then keep only skinny posing until you pick it up and stack it again. So what I always do is stack/align - immediately start clicking to keep its attention and start taking pictures - pet to reward after a pose - repeat until the first skinny pose and then pick the pet up to start again. Picking the pet up is the only way to "reset" a skinny pose so you can start getting real poses again.
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Post by Thor on Apr 21, 2019 16:59:39 GMT -5
So I didn't pet Pond, and I had just carried her just before this pose happened. See how she has this like FAST breath explosion in her chest? She does this literally every time she poses.
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Post by Ratqueen on Apr 22, 2019 11:30:06 GMT -5
I can see it now. I never noticed anything like this when posing catz, at least not in P5 (then again, I don't have all the existing frames since I can't auto-save multiples in a row in P5), but I'd say it's just a quirk. Regardless, it's not an indication or help in deciding which frame is best in the posing sequence.
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Post by Amanda on Apr 23, 2019 12:10:39 GMT -5
I'm posing some AC maine coons this morning and they are all doing the same thing. I think it's just how the MC body/torso poses.
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Post by Thor on Apr 23, 2019 12:16:58 GMT -5
I'm posing some AC maine coons this morning and they are all doing the same thing. I think it's just how the MC body/torso poses. :) I see. Even though it looks like a skinny pose, its just an MC quirk. This is good to know. (Wow petz posing sure does have a lot of specific rules) Thanks everyone for your help!! I've just decided to go by tail instead of looking at the breathing point I guess (except when there's no tail then god help me I'll learn a new technique).
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Post by Amanda on Apr 23, 2019 12:56:39 GMT -5
I'm posing some AC maine coons this morning and they are all doing the same thing. I think it's just how the MC body/torso poses. I see. Even though it looks like a skinny pose, its just an MC quirk. This is good to know. Ah yeah this for sure wasn't a skinny pose. When the cat starts skinny posing, that little flick of breath won't happen at all - the chest ball will just stay the same size for the whole pose. ETA illustration: correct pose mc torso / skinny pose mc torso (same frame) The tail is always what I've judged and seen catz poses judged by, not breathing point! I think you may be making this a little more complicated for yourself than it is ^_^
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Post by Thor on Apr 23, 2019 14:40:06 GMT -5
I think you may be making this a little more complicated for yourself than it is ^_^ This is how it feels to be new to something in general xD
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