Heeomchida
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Post by Heeomchida on Dec 6, 2014 18:10:25 GMT -5
why did ubi-soft have to abandon such a great game? smh If I remember correctly, they even opened up communication for suggestions from the PC when they were first starting to develop "Petz 6" or maybe it was P5... My memory is quite fuzzy. Oh, if that's true, it stings a little more. Frankly, as much as it is a disappointment to see them abandon the game, I'm not much surprised by it. The community is wonderful, but I have to wonder what would happen if they did follow down the path with a 6. Being honest, 5 isn't widely adopted by our community, and there could have been a sales drop simply from that. I have a small crew 'stuck in P5, but since the community seems to use P4 as a standard, it's hard to move forward. I also can't help but think they did it for two other reasons. The game we all know and love is, in all honesty, a bit dated if we leave it without the hexes and knowledge that's been developed. It's not going to appeal to some of the kids who have grown up with more high tech games. They could've continued to cater to our crowd, but they would risk some people simply not buying because it's not super high tech 3D and the like. On top of that, pet games are easy money. There's a ton of them (mostly "petz 6" rip off titles, but none the less) think of all kids games that are simply horse games. I had every single Let's Ride game I could get my hands on as a kid, and kids who wants pets are likely to be the same way. Also, just a side note, I heard while watching someone play Oddballz that the new petz is simply repackaged japanese pet sims? Does anyone know if that's true? Easy bank for them, less concern for the community and the like if that's the case. ....i'm sorry this is so long.
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Teapott
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Post by Teapott on Dec 25, 2014 19:56:07 GMT -5
They're not the same, the community isn't there
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Post by CoffieDog on Dec 25, 2014 23:22:48 GMT -5
Also, just a side note, I heard while watching someone play Oddballz that the new petz is simply repackaged japanese pet sims? Does anyone know if that's true? Easy bank for them, less concern for the community and the like if that's the case. ^This is what I always thought. Especially since the humans in the games (i.e Dogz GBA, Dogz Fashion GBA/DS, etc.) have an anime look to them and Japanese writing and props in the background. *except for the Horsez games, which are originally French and repackaged as "Horsez" for US release. pretty sure all/most of these new "Petz" games are just repackages of games from other countries... /new thought/ does anyone remember the Dogz MOBILE GAME? (made by Gameloft, 2006) SO MUCH FUN! I payed $5.99 for it on my motorola razor phone back when it first came out lol. but since thats long gone, I recently downloaded it on my computer and I'm playing it via emulator. so many memories! Very fun and I highly recommend it not pf magic "petzy" but still very cute cartoony loveable dogs. Another mobile game that came out around the same time was "My Dog" which featured primitive pf. magic petzy looking dogs. I had that one too, but it wasn't as fun.
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Post by Pya on Dec 26, 2014 4:42:03 GMT -5
^ I had the old symbian compatible Dogz and Catz, they were really fun, definitely two of my favorite mobile games back then :>. Though there were multiple versions for different mobile phones, and i found some were more interactive than others. If i recall correctly, the sony version of Catz had more catz to play with and a few other interesting things, as opposed to the nokia version. I was stuck with nokia so i was forever jealous on my friend haha. I wish old mobile games could work on new age mobiles, i had a pretty big range of favorite games back then.
Otherwise. I'm pretty sure they didn't have the expected success with Petz 5. While i find the cartoony style endearing (i've also always been a huge virtual pet fanatic, just ask my 8-11 year old self, i've searched the entire google, literally, for virtual pet games) i have friends who think the big eyed cartoony style is ugly, and especially "It's not 3D". So it does appear that if it's not 3D, it's not "cool" or "interesting" or "worth giving it a try". So it's sorta understandable as to why they went the 3D path. I have a feeling children nowadays would rather choose something pretty, but less interactive, rather than something they don't consider as pretty, but more interactive.
To be honest, i actually liked their Dogz/Catz 2, with the exception that those animals kept getting hungry/thirsty every 5 mins, if not even earlier, so as i was finishing bathing, they'd already be hungry, and that drove me mad lol. The first 3D Dogz/Catz was a bit less pretty, but it gave you something along the lines of 15 mins before they'd get needy again. I was also interested in getting Petz Beach/Countryside for the 3DS (mainly because it follows RL seasons and events, including Christmas and Halloween, and there's no other virtual pet game that does that) if it wasn't freaking 20$. That's way too much for what it offers.
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Post by kaiyakins on Aug 6, 2018 0:51:01 GMT -5
It's really interesting to see people's opinions on Ubi's recent Petz games. But honestly, I don't hate them that much. I don't really like them as much as PF Magic's version tho. I remember getting a copy of "Catz 6" in a Wendy's kids meal one time. I played it for a while and even then...I didn't really like it. The way the cats looked and moved looked a little too robotic to me. Even today, they kinda freak me out. But hey, at least it was free!
My favorite thing about "Magic Petz" is that they replaced realistic graphics for realistic movements and behaviors. "UbiPetz" was the opposite; they use more semi-realistic graphics in exchange for weird, robotic movements and no real AI. I think that Nintendogs is the only pet sim series that has a good blend of both.
I at least want to give Ubisoft credit for introducing me to the Petz franchise. Without games like "Petz 6", I think that Petz could've completely faded away into obscurity. The Ubi games at least kept the series fresh in a new generation's mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 1:30:17 GMT -5
UbiSoft's Petz are a mockery to the Petz we know well and love. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by smonikkims on Aug 6, 2018 5:52:47 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with them, or using the name. It's their property so they have every right to use the name for whatever they want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:18:56 GMT -5
It's their property so they have every right to use the name for whatever they want. No. PF Magic were the ones that owned the name first, so logically speaking they should get more credit than a bunch of amateurs that didn't know what they were doing (even you, Studio Mythos).
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Post by smonikkims on Aug 6, 2018 10:25:01 GMT -5
There's no legal need for Ubisoft to mention PF Magic at all if they 100% own the name in the present day. I know you're not talking about legality but I feel that it doesn't make sense to chastise a business for using something they own. A mutual agreement was made to pass the name on and it remains a simplistic and recognisable name, just for a different product.
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Post by Rose@Paperclip! on Aug 20, 2018 13:35:32 GMT -5
It's their property so they have every right to use the name for whatever they want. No. PF Magic were the ones that owned the name first, so logically speaking they should get more credit than a bunch of amateurs that didn't know what they were doing (even you, Studio Mythos). ^ both points are fair, and this often happens in the video game world - BioWare, which made the original Dragon Age was bought up by EA, and then used everything from the BioWare game to create subsequent games (many of which the DA fanbase is torn about), or jeez, the Fallout series has changed hands numerous times and now Bethesda owns it all - that's just how it goes. Even Lucasfilm Star Wars vs Disney Star Wars lol But, hey, I'm not happy about where Petz has gone. But it is what it is, at least we still have P3/P4/P5 and I'm still able to play them on a Windows 10 laptop lol
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Post by griffy on Oct 21, 2018 11:48:42 GMT -5
All I can say is the new petz games suck, at least personally to me. Maybe I would have liked them when I was younger though, but they sure wouldn't beat nintendogs, let alone original petz. But then again commercially what they are doing makes sense to them. There was a time when then were struggly after petz 5 wasn't successful, so they had to rethink business strategy. Doing something 3d made sense at the time, though they acknowledged they would never be good as nintendogs, they could still do something successful by leveraging the petz brand and capitalising on the market for virtual pets. I don't really hear much about the new petz games anymore though, I think the last thing was the petz countryside and beach games. I bet if there was more competition in the market these games wouldn't exist, because imo they are not very good. There a better pet games on phones and tablets for free if anything. The graphics are also creepy. Apart from petz fantasy maybe. I love to imagine they would bring old petz back, but I really doubt it. The only thing they may reuse are sound effects and maybe some background and toy aspects.
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Post by ✬MsWildiful✬ on Oct 23, 2018 19:52:30 GMT -5
All I can say is the new petz games suck, at least personally to me. Maybe I would have liked them when I was younger though, but they sure wouldn't beat nintendogs, let alone original petz. But then again commercially what they are doing makes sense to them. There was a time when then were struggly after petz 5 wasn't successful, so they had to rethink business strategy. Doing something 3d made sense at the time, though they acknowledged they would never be good as nintendogs, they could still do something successful by leveraging the petz brand and capitalising on the market for virtual pets. I don't really hear much about the new petz games anymore though, I think the last thing was the petz countryside and beach games. I bet if there was more competition in the market these games wouldn't exist, because imo they are not very good. There a better pet games on phones and tablets for free if anything. The graphics are also creepy. Apart from petz fantasy maybe. I love to imagine they would bring old petz back, but I really doubt it. The only thing they may reuse are sound effects and maybe some background and toy aspects. I agree, it's a shame considering it COULD have been just as good if not better than nintendogs if they tried. It wouldn't be extremely difficult for them to create a marvelous new version of petz, I know coding isn't easy and development is costly and time consuming but if PF Magic could create imo the BEST pet simulation game and illusion of life in 1998 then Ubisoft could definitely make it in this point of time, bigger and better than ever in less the time it took PF Magic considering the new technology we have. I think they should create a new Petz game with the same overhead view as the Original Petz, also with a zoom in option but with awesome 3d Graphics, more realistic petz and implement as much aspects of Original Petz as possible. (Treatz, toyz, posing ect) and it would be so successful! If and when I become wealthy I definitely will consider investing some money in directing a new and improved Petz game, without infringing on any Copyrights of course
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Post by griffy on Oct 24, 2018 4:30:50 GMT -5
All I can say is the new petz games suck, at least personally to me. Maybe I would have liked them when I was younger though, but they sure wouldn't beat nintendogs, let alone original petz. But then again commercially what they are doing makes sense to them. There was a time when then were struggly after petz 5 wasn't successful, so they had to rethink business strategy. Doing something 3d made sense at the time, though they acknowledged they would never be good as nintendogs, they could still do something successful by leveraging the petz brand and capitalising on the market for virtual pets. I don't really hear much about the new petz games anymore though, I think the last thing was the petz countryside and beach games. I bet if there was more competition in the market these games wouldn't exist, because imo they are not very good. There a better pet games on phones and tablets for free if anything. The graphics are also creepy. Apart from petz fantasy maybe. I love to imagine they would bring old petz back, but I really doubt it. The only thing they may reuse are sound effects and maybe some background and toy aspects. I agree, it's a shame considering it COULD have been just as good if not better than nintendogs if they tried. It wouldn't be extremely difficult for them to create a marvelous new version of petz, I know coding isn't easy and development is costly and time consuming but if PF Magic could create imo the BEST pet simulation game and illusion of life in 1998 then Ubisoft could definitely make it in this point of time, bigger and better than ever in less the time it took PF Magic considering the new technology we have. I think they should create a new Petz game with the same overhead view as the Original Petz, also with a zoom in option but with awesome 3d Graphics, more realistic petz and implement as much aspects of Original Petz as possible. (Treatz, toyz, posing ect) and it would be so successful! If and when I become wealthy I definitely will consider investing some money in directing a new and improved Petz game, without infringing on any Copyrights of course Yeah I guess maybe money and budget issues, they didn't want to allocate much talent and resources to the project perhaps. It's a shame all these technological advances are not incorporated into virtual pet games as much. Petz was the most innovative thing at the time, so you would think they could make something even better. A new petz game could really build upon these things if only they tried. I'm possibly gonna try code my own pet type game soon (might not be that great lol), not petz ofc but yeah. I'd love petz to genuinely come back though in the future, with improvements, i've always wished that. But copyright and stuff arghhh..
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Post by soprano on Oct 30, 2018 10:50:56 GMT -5
The original PF Magic games were amazing. I guess I kinda took it for granted that pet simulation games would just get better and better... but no. The new 3D Petz are just ugly, and do not have any of the emotional appeal or charming artistry of the original Petz. I must have been maybe 10 years old when I started playing Petz, and I'm 30 now. I've just tried a Petz II demo online, and wow. The animation, the facial expressions, the way they move around and interact with the player... the AI and the visual effects and the genetic inheritance algorithm were actually pretty advanced for that time, and still impress me today. I've played a lot of pet simulation games, and none of them come close to the creativity and charisma of the original Petz games.
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Post by petzfan on Sept 3, 2019 14:36:28 GMT -5
Hi all!
I hope it's not a problem that I'm replying to a really old thread. Anyway, I have the newer Petz games Catz Clan, Dogz Pack, and Monkeyz House for DS. The graphics are good, but the rest of the games are not so good. I don't like it that the animals can only have one baby in the games when they are bred. It doesn't make sense, as even primates can have twins! Cats and dogs usually have litters even though I've heard of one case of a mom cat with one baby once on Facebook. I also don't like that the babies are not all that unique looking and there's not a huge amount of variety with how they'll look compared to their siblings and parents. Also, I don't like it that the pets are too needy and that there's a ten pet limit. I do like Nintendogs + Cats but I don't like that they stay puppies and kittens forever and there's no breeding aspect. I'm not using my pet games right now anyway as my 3DS XL has trouble with cartridges loading and I suspect the cartridge slot on it could be damaged. Since it still works, and there's new Pokemon games coming up that I want to transfer Pokemon from the ones on my 3DS and DS cartridge Pokemon games I'm just sticking to Pokemon games and digital titles on my 3DS. At least I'm getting Petz 5 in the mail soon!
So yeah, I agree the new Petz series is disappointing. I don't think I'll be playing my current newer Petz games again, and will likely get rid of them somehow.
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