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Post by oh reelee? on Jul 30, 2009 22:26:57 GMT -5
I find it's usually underage members who have those high warning/high negative karma?
I tend to try to stay away from them because I tend to get a bit.. mean towards them. You can usually tell a person who's underage by the way they type too.
But yeeeaahh, I agree with cher; I wouldn't normally give out a pet to anyone with the higher range of negative karma and high warning level, but I usually tend to ask them how they got the warning in the first place, just to make sure it was/wasn't something malicious.
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Post by Rinkái on Aug 8, 2009 14:15:18 GMT -5
Warnings I think can be iffy because obviously I have a warning and it was for something I consider extremely minor like putting an adoptable in my sig that was 4 pixels over the limit that I thought was small enough before a friend told me...and by then it was too late. >_> I personally don't like the warning system because many forums run perfectly smoothly without it. People make mistakes, it shouldn't be a big deal. HOWEVER karma is different because if you have a crap ton of negative karma it's probably for a reason. You dont get nagative karma for making a mistake usually... you get it because of immature/rude actions. I'll give people negative karma for complaining about not getting a hex they applied for when they didn't have anything to offer in the first place. Or if someone blatantly tries to copy someone elses work. If people lie.... etc. Like Kenzie said....it's not the karma and warning that turns us off it's the peoples actions... Slightly off topic, but I've had a warning and I still firmly believe in the warnings system.. Some forums do run smoothly without it, but I've had several friends who are/were mods at forums without warning systems tell me that it's Hell to not be listened to.. because if there's no consequences, some people won't listen to you. If someone gains a warning simply by forgetting something, I don't hold it against them at all! We all forget things.. but if people say, gain a warning because of cheating or adopting out the same dog 1000 times, I think good that they get a warning. Generally I just let everybody apply for my non-freebs (because then I can select the owner myself) and put rules about karma/warnings (no negative karma/no warnings over 15%, say) and that makes me feel better. 1% & 2% warnings don't bother me, because those can just be accidental. Really bad grammar/spelling, or rudeness makes me avoid people, though; I also don't like a load of negative karma, because you're given negative karma through bad actions.
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Post by Cherri-chan on Aug 13, 2009 17:23:37 GMT -5
I agree. You could have warning for something like a silly mistake and then you could get it for language, flaming and all sorts of things. Everyone knows someone they don't get along with. That's when karma chips in. Luckily it's against the rules to smite just bcause you on't like the person. I don't tend to avoid people with titles like "Not allowed to enter Shows" followed by 50% or something. Those people tend to have a load of karma. I keep in touch with those people if they're nice. I don't tend to put limits onto my adoptions either.
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Post by Kelli☮ Belli on Aug 13, 2009 21:05:05 GMT -5
Yea I mean the warnings system wouldn't bother me if it wasn't so strict. Because I mean if someone forgets to put Dog in their title for pose help....they shouldn't get a freaking warning I'm sorry but that is overly ridiculous. If someone cheats or adopts out the same dog a billion times like you said, they should most definately be punished. It's just I feel like the warnings are given out like for anything. Soon enough it'll be like this... "You put the wrong there! Warning for you!" I mean come on.....
But like I said if you have like -10 karma then it's not just because you made little mistakes like that usually. So sometimes I want to avoid them because it's mostly noobs who are rude, snippy, obnoxious, annoying, etc etc
Just so you all know though I do like making friends in the PC, I talk to a lot of people from here as well as pcg. I talk to anyone who comes to me as long as they are friendly and have common sense
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Post by Cher on Aug 13, 2009 22:30:21 GMT -5
^ I agree, for the most part.
I don't think that the warning system is quite as bad as you make it sound, but I do think that if it's a simple mistake, is a warning really necessary? Of course, that only goes for a first-time offender. I think if the same mistake (or a similar) one is made a second time, then a warning should definitely be given. But not for a first time one. Everyone forgets and makes mistakes.
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Post by Alex@Marvel on Aug 13, 2009 22:37:07 GMT -5
Yea I mean the warnings system wouldn't bother me if it wasn't so strict. Because I mean if someone forgets to put Dog in their title for pose help....they shouldn't get a freaking warning I'm sorry but that is overly ridiculous. If someone cheats or adopts out the same dog a billion times like you said, they should most definately be punished. It's just I feel like the warnings are given out like for anything. Soon enough it'll be like this... "You put the wrong there! Warning for you!" I mean come on..... But like I said if you have like -10 karma then it's not just because you made little mistakes like that usually. So sometimes I want to avoid them because it's mostly noobs who are rude, snippy, obnoxious, annoying, etc etc Just so you all know though I do like making friends in the PC, I talk to a lot of people from here as well as pcg. I talk to anyone who comes to me as long as they are friendly and have common sense Warnings are not given out for forgetting once or twice or even over a stretch of time. When people repeatedly ignore the rules, that's when warnings are given. If you forget something once, a mod will remind you, not put a warning level on you. As for signatures, it's a part of the rules. It's your job to make sure your signature isn't over the limit, if it is, even if it's an adoptable that grows, it's still your job or you will get a warning. It is possible to get through several years without a single warning level, trust me on this. And if you pay attention, it says that your warning level will be reduced after a matter of time. Once it's been enough time, you can pm RQ about it and she can lower it if she agrees. Lastly, if the rules weren't strict, it would be complete pandemonium around here. Rules are in place for a reason, just as society has rules, so do a forum. If you really think they're that strict, I can point you to a few places that are far worse and yet people manage to get by without warning levels on those forums too.
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Post by Rinkái on Aug 14, 2009 8:14:04 GMT -5
^THIS.
I've seen people get warnings for forgetting things, as you said, Kelli, BUT they only get a warning after they've forgotten it about 10+ times and tbh, by then everybodies' a little bit annoyed. Signatures are hard to get right when you first join, and adoptables can earn you a warning when they grow up (that I know by personal experience) but is a 1% warning the end of the world? No. Because everybody knows it's more than likely simply for your signature being too big in a moment of light-headedness, or forgetting to remove an adoptable once it has grown up...
but within a month, if you behave, that warning can be GONE. You just have to PM Ratqueen, say "oh hai, I has this 1% warning that I got more than a month ago. I haven't broken the rules again... so perhaps you could please consider removing it? Thanks, sorry to trouble you. :3" or something to that effect.
I believe firmly in the warnings system because it keeps the forum neat, tidy and more importantly, in order. Because people who have high warnings and don't get adopted to as much don't get as much chance to steal/copy, and if people know what they've done from a high warning (cheated in shows, stolen a pet, converted a .pet to .dog without permission, etc) then they themselves can judge whether they want to give their services (petz, graphics) to that person.
It's not something you're usually judged for, having a low warning -- but if it has negative karma with it, then it's more because of your actions than a signature/whatever. And that means you do get judged. 1% warnings and stuff don't bother me and really, it shouldn't bother you too much either.
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Post by Arty on Aug 14, 2009 9:12:06 GMT -5
I didn't read many of the other replies, just the ones on this page but I believe in a warning system. It works on RKC because it's enforced and it's just part of the forum now. It's nothing new because usually you get a warning for a giant signature the day you are on the forum and then you get used to it.
I don't mind getting warnings even though I've gotten three over the years that I've been on this forum. One a few days after I joined in Feb '07, another in Sept '07 and one in April '08. The first and last are signature warnings and the second is a post icon warning. I will admit, I made a mistake on the last one and it was over by 5 px but it was my fault for making this mistake. The first signature warning, oh lord, it was because I didn't read the rules. These warnings pointed me to actually go read the rules and follow them.
Onto the actual topic: I try to help out those with warnings because I think they can become respectable members. I usually warn people by PMing them about their signature sizes so that they can avoid the warning & point them toward the rules. Of course, as we all know, there are those members that just completely ignore every attempt you make at helping them out. They make me want to tear my hair out, but I try to control it and remain optimistic that the next member will be more responsive to the advice.
I do avoid them if I've seen them around the forum and they are a n00b. I don't mind newbies, but a n00b is bleh. I have no words for people like that. Usually underage kids who think they won't get banned if they repeatedly break the rules.
Then again, I'm one of the people who need boundaries. I need to know what I can or cannot do so that I can follow them. I stay in the boundaries and I enjoy it there. I mean, at school, when people are complaining about getting in trouble for being out of uniform, I'm advocating for expulsions for repeated uniform violations. I'm just like that, haha.
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Post by Kelli☮ Belli on Aug 14, 2009 13:56:35 GMT -5
Lol I see someone smited me because I have opinions.
I don't disagree with the warning system completely as I said, it should be used for deliberate wrong-doer's. I just think that tiny mistakes shouldn't be punished so harshly.
Well anyway I'm glad you feel high and mighty for doing so, good for you =]
Edit: Oh yea btw a TON of people including me did not forget 10+ times or made mistakes a ton of times. It was once and then bam, warning. So yea. I understand if people were doing these things over and over and over. But once. And I'm speaking for not just myself but looooads of people who also think this is a bit harsh.
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Post by Rinkái on Aug 14, 2009 14:03:40 GMT -5
:/ That's kind of... pathetic. XDDD
One karma point, nor 1% warning is going to make a huge difference to the forum's view of you; little sympathy wanting posts like this will. Also, this isn't the thread for discussing you OWN karma and warnings, nor even the system itself. It was designed for us to discuss whether we avoid those with the results of the system. Tiny mistakes are not punished harshly; they are given a 1% warning or perhaps 2%. Out of 100% that is not a large percentage at all... harsh would be giving someone a 20% warning for one signature offense, oui?
If a mistake is punished, it is less likely that mistake will be made again. Therefore, mistakes should (and are) punished, so that the person knows not to do it again and bring more harsh punishment down upon themselves.
Also, I've just noticed something about one of your previous posts... you say "soon enough, warnings will be given for just about anything". Does this mean you don't trust the moderators to be fair & equal to all? That they'll play favourites? Because as the moderators work hard to keep this forum nice, neat and orderly for all, I find that rather rude. :c
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Post by Neco on Aug 14, 2009 14:45:40 GMT -5
Ok this is getting out of hand, so I'm locking this.
Kelli, if you believe someone wrongly smited you, PM RQ and she'll get it sorted out. Just because someone disagrees with you is not a reason to be smited, though I'm rather disappointed with the attitude of this thread : /
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